It's almost like people like good movies. Who would have thunk it?

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Also:

I've seen it said that people didn't like The Marvels or Madame Web because the average comic movie audience is sexist as hell and hates even the idea of female protagonists. I'm not going to pretend that such shitheads don't exist, but they're a tiny and loud minority. Female lead characters (or lead characters of any underrepresented demographic) don't automatically lower the bar for quality for the movie. If it's a bad movie, it's still a bad movie.

I myself belong to a couple underrepresented demographics, although I won't specify here which ones. I get told that I should like x or y movie because lead character is like me, but then the movie is bad with bad writing and bad acting and so on and so forth. It's extra fun when the character that I'm supposed to identify with is insufferable as all hell (thanks guys, you telling me that I'm insufferable?). Pandering doesn't make a movie better. Actually make a good movie, and people will like it.

I enjoyed Marvels (I thought Captain Marvel was great) but it, ultimately was tainted by cynical franchise building and it needed to feel more like a well-told story in it's own right. It was a waste of Zawe Ashton (she should have been Moonstone so she'd have at least been able to return at some point but they are busy butchering Thunderbolts, so perhaps not) which is it's greatest crime.

Madame Web was just awful and should never have been allowed to happen (see also every other Spider-Man-less Sony's Spider-Man Universe movie.

Well, yeah.

Madame web wasn't even a marvel movie, it was just loosely based on the name of a marvel character, and everyone knew it.

The Marvels, well, I think it was the wrong movie at the wrong time with the wrong script. It was never going to put up big numbers, and I'm not sure why anyone involved thought it would. If it had been exactly the same, but done as a miniseries for streaming, it would have done better.

But, trying to take the characters straight from their last appearances in previous stories and throwing them together just because? Was never going to work. And it sucks, because Kamala had a great show that should have set the character up for a second series, and then bump her into movies. Rambeau, I think could have been moved into a team movie and been accepted, but that's not what Marvels was; it wasn't a team movie. It was a forced "we gotta put all the Ms/Capt Marvels together!" movie.

It was arbitrary, in other words. No buildup, no real effort to get the characters moving towards a longer arc. It was the equivalent of the Justice League movie, where it was rushed into being way sooner than it should have been. And it flopped. I actually love all three characters, and I like or love all three portrayals of them (yes, even Larson's badly written one is okay), and Marvels just wasn't well written, or well directed, and I suspect too much executive meddling during editing as well.

But Deadpool? The movies have been propelled the entire time with passion, and with adherence to the spirit of the character. Of course it was going to wreck the numbers of anything since endgame. Even without Wolverine, Deadpool 3 was going to do well.

I got so tired of superheroes movies that I forgot Madame Web is not MCU, they are all just "MCU" to me.

I had forgotten about Madame Web

I rather liked the marvels movie. I thought it was better than the last couple MCU movies. It helps that I like ms marvel and Captain marvel as characters. I do think sexism and racism played a role in it not doing well, but I don't have any data to back that up. It might not have been all in the audience (though I have known some dudes that are deeply sexist and straight up say they don't want to watch movies with leading women), maybe maybe also how it was marketed and stuff? But I really don't know how any of this works.

I never even heard of Madame web. This supports my maybe marketing is a factor hypothesis.

Got to hand it to Sony for the ultimate anti piracy trick: making their movie not even worth stealing...

And that's just from Thursday/Friday/Saturday.

Sunday could add another $50 to $75 million domestic.

I have to say this too:

Plot wise, it's actually not great. Overall, I'd say The Eternals had a deeper plot.

But the thing is, it's not trying to be deep. It's not trying to come up with a gotcha that makes you think, but it sure as hell DOES make you laugh.

ENTERTAINMENT wise, this movie earn every fucking penny from myself and everyone in the theatre with me. It was a riot, and there was laughing, cheering, and a great time had by everyone.

Speaking of "fuck", I'm pretty sure that Marvel-Disney had a jar somewhere containing every instance of that word they didn't use in their other movie, and that they just tipped the jar over for this one and went wild. Hearing Jackman in a role where he can actually dear was surprisingly entertaining in and of itself.

I'll usually happily sit through Marvel movies but I stopped watching The Marvels halfway through. It was just kinda pretty bad

I should hope so after the press junket those two did! I don't remember the last time I saw anyone promote a movie this hard.

Madame web would have been much better if it hadn’t included three copies of scrappy doo and if the plot made sense. Just a frustrating movie to experience.

Quick, make a hundred more spin-offs featuring neither Wolverine nor Deadpool until you’ve milled all possible value from the franchise.