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Fascists always vote = fascists get what they want = idiots saying "voting doesn't work"
pretty sure it;'s not the voting.
pretty sure it's everything OTHER than the voting that gets them what they want. and the liberals refusing to let anyone stop them.
you'll notice that even when a fascist loses an election, like in 2000, they still get their guy in office sometimes.
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wait, why are we holding liberals responsible? Shouldn't we be holding the uh, fascists responsible? They're the ones causing all the problems LMAO
Because liberals can only ever critique some symptoms and never the root causes which leads to an inability to address the problems of neoliberalism leads to the rise of space for fascist ideology?
maybe? But tangentially providing space for shitty people doesn't make you a shitty person. Housing someone who is/was a murder doesn't just make you a shitty person.
Politics is quite literally a game of 4d chess unless played from the individuals perspective, in which case its a funny put name on paper and put it into a box game instead.
I feel like the vast majority of self described liberals would have plenty of issues with violent and fascist-esque institutions running for government positions. I can't think of any well known liberals that are ambivalent to trump, let alone supportive of him.
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Yeah, but simply not voting isn’t a solution. It’s a self-congratulatory exercise in washing your hands of responsibility. We all see this is the problem. It’s been the problem our entire lives. It’s clear as day for anyone with half a brain. So…what then?
Defeatist bullshit
Limitations of action from either side are entirely due to a lack of a strong majority in Congress. Without it, no matter the goals, the capabilities are limited. There are times I do really appreciate some of the checks congress has over the executive.
this meme plays out like the government is controlled by one party at a time
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Socialists do nothing -> Fascists receive no consequences -> Socialists do nothing -> Fascists seize power -> Socialists join the fascists and say it's all the fault of the liberals.
Complain all you want about the liberals voting to prevent fascists from getting power, but they're doing something while socialists do nothing except complain.
I'll let you in on a little secret, many liberals are socialists that got tired of doing nothing. Voting in many successive elections to get the change you want over many decades is far more admirable than sitting on the sidelines complaining about the people that are making an effort.
This is where I'm at, admittedly. I see no substantial action from any alternative group. I can't be the change I want to see because I'm not a leader. So given the options I have to choose one of them. I finally get the "lesser evil" shit. I used to think it was a cynical slogan meant to get people used to the idea of supporting heinous crimes, which it is, but it is also a genuine sentiment that holds some weight. I was blind to that before. The way I see it now, no matter my choice, evil will come, so I might as well cast my ballot for the one that is a ostensibly less evil. So I'll begrudgingly vote for Harris because the rhetoric coming from the republicans is fucking terrifying, and JD Vance especially makes me feel very nervous. He's exactly the type of slimy opportunistic creep that should be kept as far away from power as possible. At least it's not Biden or Shapiro. C'est la vie.
Yeah. Mainly, find ways, wherever you are, to do right with the small amount of power you have. It matters.
Some of that is voting. Some of that is whatever political support you can manage. Some of it is just saying "that seems like a bad idea" when you're in a meeting, or choosing a more ethical supplier if you're at some company.
Always know that, no matter how small the power you hold seems, it matters.
every day make the best choices you can with the energy you have available. you may or may not win; you may or may not even make a difference; one day you may just need a fucking cheeseburger from macdonalds despite your usual moral misgivings… and that’s fine!
make choices to change the system, sure, but be aware of the direction you want and head in that direction… change is proactive; participants make the rules
Exactly.
Pretty sure the "hold liberals accountable " falls under the "do nothing about fascists" banner
This might have been a pattern before but the new dem party seems to be hitting harder and faster than in the past. Plus it's hard to make change when ur not willing to do shady shit and ignore the essence of democracy and constitution
I do not disagree, but let's see if they can keep it together after January.
Yups, politicians of every party r still politicians, so no guarantee they even follow campaign promises
"Oh, so you'd rather the fascist win?" I say, as I'm being dragged from the voting booth into the gas chamber.
Schrodinger's vote: your vote only matters if you don't vote.
Aren't we already having that negotiation right now about the Palestinians?
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