The idea of a console where the manufacturer doesnβt have total control over the OS is ludicrous, no way a Windows box is ever going to βkillβ the deck
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Yeah, Sony lost me when they broke my Linux install and degraded the DVD playback functions, within six months of me buying my PS2. Similarly, the last "good" smartphone I had, was the Palm Treo (650p\680p\Centro); since then, I've never had a single phone that granted direct hardware access & allowed unloading/sideloading the OS by default.
Manufacturers want deep control these days; way beyond mere root permissions.
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And Arch is right fucking there
And Holo ISO if you don't want to fully configure.
The internet connection is my limiting factor. 15GB or on lunch/break. π
Portal is crisp and clean.
I heard Fallout 4 is good.
OOTP could run on an XP machine from 2003.
Fallout 4 is awesome.
Iβm bored with it at the moment. Been playing Red Dead 2. Oh my god what a game. Makes me regret not playing the first one.
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Fucking hell the "Steam Deck killers" is a stupid trend.
They really do hit you with all the specs that are supposed to put the deck to shame, but the reveal their ludicrous price, completely ignoring the major advance the things has.
That's a simple trick, but cheap and dirty, so it's pretty garbo anyway. No respect for handhelds themselves or anyone reviewing them or taking any sponsorship that do anything like that.
Imho, the Steam Deck will be the only one with a really long product lifetime. Simply because Valve's main business is selling games, not consoles. The Deck makes people buy more/different games. Worked on me. I haven't played much in the last decade because I was too tired to play at my PC after work. Now I can play everywhere. Couch, bed, car, .. Basically every other manufacturer makes money exactly once by selling such a console. As soon as their marketing is done with it, they'll release a new revision and you won't see a single software update for the old model ever again.
Yup, there are a number of features for Valve to do this right:
supporting linux frees them of the eternal windows shackles that pc-gaming has become, diversifies steam as a multi-platform service (not just pc gaming juggernaut) without encroaching on anyone else's terrain, and gets their user's enormous libraries out into the world, potentially enabling new kinds of games in the future.
Well, but the same is true for brands selling desktops or laptops with windows, where they only make money once on the hardware (and maybe some additional money by installing subscription crapware like mc afee etc.).
That's true. And that's the reason why you'll get one or two firmware/driver updates and that's it. These companies have work to do on the other hand. A laptos or desktop is a widespread product. Valve had to go a long way to make the Deck happen.
Wouldn't it be rather simple to install Linux on them though?
You could, but what makes Steam Deck special is that it's SteamOS is built specifically for that hardware, enabling functions you wouldn't normally see in gaming PC hardware.
The difference is that if the device comes with Steam OS, then it's ready to go out of the box and you're assured the hardware has good Linux support.
If it's originally a Windows device then you may have to jump through additional hoops to get everything working. Also you'll have to deal with allowing other OS's in the BIOS if it's locked.
Also you've paid Microsoft for a license you won't use.
The flip side is that there's work to make a native Steam OS build for 3rd party portable devices:
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I suppose. But then why not steam deck?
If you like the hardware of one of the others more. I think the Legion Go looks pretty sweet. Wonder if it could make a good daily driver even.
I used the steam deck as a daily driver between laptops. It was good enough to the point that if I had a decent mobile monitor, I would consider it exclusively for a travel rig.
I've got an external monitor and my full keyboard and mouse with a dock and my steam deck. I can set up anywhere with a desk and game, program, whatever. I've found very little that it can't handle.
What monitor are you using? Can the dock drive it?
I'm using this portable monitor but it is kind of finicky, and I worry it'll break easily. It's the biggest one I could find at a reasonable price, and happens to fit my backpack.
I've used it with my 3440x1440 freesync monitor at home, and it works as well, but like anything, whether you can game at that resolution is very dependant on the specific game and settings you use.
I'll add, because the deck doesn't have thunderbolt, plan on using HDMI instead of type c. It's possible you can find a type c (non-thunderbolt) dock that supports powering and driving a monitor over type c along with the deck, but I wasn't able to find one.
Outside of the better gpu, the one advantage the other devices have is emulation. Steamdeck sits on the edge of performance for some of the harder to emulate devices heavy titles (PS3, Switch). The ones using Ryzen 3/4 would trivially handle emulation better than the Steamdecks CPU, which uses Ryzen 1+ (part of the reason why its low cost)
Totally agree.
Not only they canβt sell the device at a loss, but also they have to use Windows for driver compatibility.
Whatβs holding back the Steam Deck, and the whole gaming on the go, itβs x86. For the rest, itβs x86 plus Windows plus drivers.
The one to win will be who makes a tightly coupled device thatβs also efficient. Apple is good at that, but has nowhere near the catalogue than Steam and lacks a Steamworks SDK.
Where are the true killers with arm based chips? And how is the linux version of rosetta 2 doing? Can we run x86 games on arm Linux?
And how is the linux version of rosetta 2 doing?
What? You mean how is the linux version of mac version of qemu? Alive and kicking! Same for box86 and box64. Binary tralsators existed before Apple started making x86 computers.
Sorry, i was very late with this whole arm hype π never knew that rasp pi was arm prior Apple silicone π«£ But Indeed, it is very nice seeing that fast progress there and I hope linux arm goes mainstream and thus get even more supported by app developers and investors.
Don't Apple's chips have specific hardware support to make Rosetta 2 as effective as it is? I've been really hoping other manufacturers find a way to do something similar.
I donβt know about hardware support, but I found this article on box86.org which seems to be the best alternative to rosetta on Linux. The performance drop on box64 vs native is still much greater than the performance drop in rosetta:
https://box86.org/2022/03/box86-box64-vs-qemu-vs-fex-vs-rosetta2/
Edit: many infos about Rosetta under the hood: https://github.com/FFRI/ProjectChampollion
I found nothing, that implies that there would be specific hardware features in m1 for making the translation faster. Only that it does translation mainly ahead-of-time (AOT) and saves "that version" of the app somewhere as cache). I only scrolled through it and did not read it all, so maybe I missed it.
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I thought that valve even allowed other companies to use the steam deck software on their own hardware.
I'm pretty sure its just a linux distro anyone can use, maybe even open source.
Manufacturers will choose the sweet microsoft money tho they get per device with windows preinstalled.
I think GPD offers SteamOS copies for their devices.
That's because normal Linux won't be as optimised but unlike Valve they don't want to put actual work into optimising it.
Less "not optimized", & more "not supported"; IE, accelerations that don't turn on, because companies like Intel, Broadcom, Samsung, & NVidia, have a long history of only giving preferred partner devteams, prerelease hardware access, much less any peeks at unobfuscated firmware.
Not so bad if you can just install another OS to 'em like they were just little mobile computers.
if I don't own any steam games, are any of these other options better than the steam deck? or is steam deck still the way to go for non steam games?
They have better performance, so if you play plugged in or play a game that's not great in Proton you might benefit.
For unplugged, nobody has yet beat the 5W performance of the Steam Deck
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