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[–] Lydia_K@lemmy.world 154 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Surely nothing will go wrong with THIS corporate owned walled garden.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

How any times do they have to learn the same lesson?

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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 138 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I know a much better place. It is called mastodon.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 54 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Just pointing out the author mentions they used mastodon for a time too, their argument is that bluesky interface, content and moderation are better for them.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 10 months ago (3 children)

That mindset is the problem. A slightly better UX at the cost of freedom is a bad deal.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 33 points 10 months ago

They keep building up these companies with shiti core principles then pika face when corpos do them dirty 🤡

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

UX matters.

If open source software genuinely wants to be an option for normal people, they need to fix their shit.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 10 months ago

That's fair! Although I fear big money will always come up with some way to make a "better" UX, either simply because they can afford more/better devs, and often by compromising privacy, accessibility, etc.

embrace extend extinguish has worked in the past and it can work again

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[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I will give bluesky credit for their focus on moderation. Hopefully some of that design is cloned by the Mastodon folks sooner than later

[–] einkorn@feddit.org 7 points 10 months ago

I will give bluesky credit for their focus on moderation.

Watch that focus disappear once the enshittification phase starts.

[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the microblog format, but I'm pretty sure everyone here is going to agree that Mastodon is the superior Twitter replacement.

[–] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Nope. Not at all. I very much prefer BlueSky as far as Twitter replacement goes.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

yep, people that loved walled gardens like twitter will absolutely love bluesky

[–] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't think I get what you mean when you say "Walled Garden" in this context. Can you elaborate?

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 12 points 10 months ago

just another corporate managed behemoth. their interfaces are slick, but the federation lacking

[–] tabular@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

walled garden

(Edit, For example..) Facebook control all aspects: you can only do what they want. Mastodon can be hosted and modified by anyone, it's freedom.

A closed platform, walled garden, (...) is a software system wherein the carrier or service provider has control over applications, content, and/or media, and restricts convenient access to non-approved applicants or content. This is in contrast to an open platform, wherein consumers generally have unrestricted access to applications and content. - wikipedia

[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What are you talking about? BlueSky has absolutely nothing to do with Facebook. It's a different company using the open AT Protocol.

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[–] tormeh@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Unfortunately not. For me the main problem is discoverability. There's no recommendation algorithm except for boosts. I'm not suggesting Mastodon integrate some kind of machine learning or other advanced stuff, but number of likes from followed accounts and a threshold would be nice for a start. As it is, Mastodon is just bad for entertainment purposes. Maybe it works for other purposes, but for entertainment I'd rather have the algorithm-fuelled quote-tweet dunking on Twitter.

[–] Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz 10 points 10 months ago

There's the explore tab in the mastodon app that shows you trending hashtags, and recommends people to follow based off who you already follow. There's trending accounts that just post about trending items too. Use them as your algorithm.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

There's definitely an opportunity for someone to run their own curation service for personalized feeds based on a user's activity on other social networks.

I tend to just check All periodically for the first couple of months and follow tags and people that suit my own interests and build my own feed from zero. But that takes effort and time, and for folks who want an option further toward the convenience end of the privacy/convenience spectrum I suspect it would be a fairly popular option.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 87 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Leaving one privately run garden for another sure seems like a choice 🤔

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It's built to be decentralized though, from what I read.

[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 58 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Mastodon: Am I a joke to you?

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (5 children)

I wasn't a fan of the format. (and apparently I'm not allowed to have an opinion on format)

[–] dandi8@fedia.io 16 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Isn't the format literally just Twitter?

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

it's quite different in the sense that you don't see any recommended content, just your follows and their boosts.

[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's because its not harvesting your data in order to pull more engagement for ad revenue.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

I'm not OP, but yes, that's why I don't use Mastodon or Twitter/X. I really don't like the format.

I tried to give Twitter a fair shake several years ago, and I found it to be a complete waste of my time. So I don't use it, or anything like it. That's also around when I found Reddit, which I found to not be a complete waste of time, and that's why I'm on Lemmy instead of Mastodon. I like following communities, not topics or people.

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[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 10 months ago

It's centralized. They allow federation using their own protocol.

But all you need to know is that it's a capitalist, for-profit undertaking.

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[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 67 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Now ditch that for mastodon

[–] upside431@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago

Mastodon is much better for that

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 42 points 10 months ago

There is another alternative to twitter

Its pretty unknown, especially on lemmy, so i dont think many people heard of it, its on something called "the fediverse" and is called "mastodon"

[–] _NetNomad@fedia.io 17 points 10 months ago

The one drawback to Bluesky’s block feature is that a user’s block lists aren’t private. Through third party apps, you can find lists of everyone anyone’s blocked. That probably won’t bother most people, but it’s a potential issue for those who worry that public block lists could be used perniciously by persistent stalkers or harassers.

The only missing function is the ability to lock your account or go private as you can on Twitter, which would let you hide your account from non-followers while still posting to folks who already follow you.

But Bluesky has gotten considerable criticism at key points over the last year and a half for failures in handling anti-Black racism in particular. Rudy Fraser wrote extensively about some of these issues along with a deep dive into his goals and challenges as the creator of the now legendary Blacksky feed in a great post a year ago.

Every time someone recommends me Bluesky, I learn something else about it that makes me never want to make an account. Any one of these three quotes should be a dealbreaker on their own

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

His profile is sign-in blocked.

“Public square” indeed.

[–] 4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I tried Threads and it was horrible. Honestly not using Mastodon that much. But maybe that format is just not my thing.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

See the thing is........you have to microblog like a crazed hobo yelling things into the void. It doesn't need to make sense. It's better if it DOESN'T make sense.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yup, I've tried Twitter and hated it. I remember when Mastodon launched, and it was described as "federated Facebook" IIRC, and now people are claiming that it's more like "federated Twitter." I hate both Facebook and Twitter, so I use neither.

So honestly, I don't really care about Twitter/X vs BlueSky vs Mastodon, because I don't want to use any of them. Reddit/Lemmy is a much more interesting format to me TBH.

[–] 4shtonButcher@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I really need local interest groups. For example a local skating community or local hardware selling group - that’s only Facebook today unfortunately.

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[–] Mandy@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago

Bluesky is also about as dead as tumblr

I barely see anyone interacting with anything, or anyone for that matter

[–] geography082@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

How about, no

[–] mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 10 months ago

Another idea: ditch Twitter and learn to play the ukulele instead

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