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[-] renzev@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Why is this weird? "Apple" used to be the generic word for fruit in many different languages, it wasn't until recently that it took on the meaning of a specific type of fruit. I don't think calling potatoes "fruit of the earth" is at all strange. The English equivalent to this is the word "pineapple" -- a fruit that kind of looks like a pine cone.

[-] NickKnight@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

italian tomatoes have entered the chat and agree with their golden apples.

[-] dogsoahC@lemm.ee 18 points 2 days ago

In a lot of languages the word for apple used to refer to all kinds of fruits, particularly new ones from more or less exotic lands. Pineapples also don't look much like apples, do they?

[-] Machinist@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Pomme de terre (IIRC) is a sad version of a underground apple.

Pineapples look like a pinecone but with a sweet fruit inside. Makes sense to me.

Then again horse apples, i.e., horse shit doesn't taste great at all. Then again, again: horse apples, the Osage Orange fruit, are inedible. Osage Orange is neither an apple or orange tree.

English 'tis a silly language.

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[-] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

if you think ground apples isn't an apt description, you've never eaten potatoes raw.

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Here's something else to gnaw at your brain: "corn" used to be a generic term for any cereal grain, and now only refers to the one group of crops. Also we now (mostly) only use "cereal" to describe the stuff you have for breakfast with milk. Which used to be just shitty puffed grains but now also includes all kinds of flakes and processed nonsense.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

American: "Have french people never eaten a good apple?"

Frenchman: "Have Americans never enjoyed a tasty potato?"

[-] sxan@midwest.social 2 points 2 days ago

Potatoes are indeed tasty. Some varieties are even sweet-ish. I can't say I've had potatoes that were as sweet as apples, without the addition of a lot of sugar.

[-] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 51 points 3 days ago
[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Ananas

Bananas

:-/

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

isn't apple used in many languages as a generic term for fruit?... it's not like pineapple has anything to do with apples either.

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[-] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

Recently I watched an press event with a Canadian politician, who was switching between French and English as we must sometimes. He was talking about a bag of apples (which his colleague was holding) costing a stupid amount of money. He made the mistake of saying a bag of potatoes, which i found fucking hilarious as I speak both languages and understand the mistake. Unfortunately for him, the people criticising him were morons and were like WHY WOULD HE SAY POTATOES IS HE STUPID.

[-] Dozzi92@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Franglais is my language of choice after several drinks in any French speaking country. I am from Jersey, New, so it's the best I can do with my education.

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[-] shneancy@lemmy.world 128 points 4 days ago

"apple" used to be a generic term for fruit. So it's actually "fruit of the earth", the French are poetic like that

[-] Isoprenoid@programming.dev 60 points 4 days ago

“apple” used to be a generic term for fruit.

Oh, that explains the myth that Adam and Eve at an apple, when a specific fruit is never mentioned.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/apple

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[-] Shapillon@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

Also apples used to be small, tart, and acidic.

You wouldn't eat them as a dessert but as a basis for brewing alcohol.

It's wild how much fruits changed in recent times.

So much so that most zoo are stoppimg giving them to animals and switched to more leafy greens. They have gotten so sugary that they promoted tooth decay and obesity.

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[-] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 136 points 4 days ago

The English for "ananas" is "pineapple", did the English really think they grew on pine trees?

[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 65 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 68 points 4 days ago

It's their superficial resemblance to pinecones.

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[-] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 37 points 4 days ago

"Apple" is Old English for "fruit", not specifically apple.

And apparently "pineapple" for the tropical fruit predates "pine cone", OE used "pine nut".

Earliest use of "pineapple" is 14th century translation for "pomegranate".

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[-] leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 63 points 4 days ago

Look, we're talking people who call ninety-nine “four twenty ten nine”; you can't expect them to name things properly.

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[-] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

In Germany they are called Kartoffeln (which is also a slur for the Germans itself).
But potatoes are also called Erdäpfel (ground apples) or in southern dialect Krombire (bent pear).
More variants here:
Source (German): https://die-kartoffel.de/wissen/schon-gewusst/kartoffel-deutsche-dialekte/

[-] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

So calling someone a potato in German is a slur?

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[-] viking@infosec.pub 16 points 3 days ago

Have a look at how some early apple varieties looked like, before they were cultivated:

https://birdsongorchards.com/pages/welcome-to-wondrous-diversity-of-heirloom-apples

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[-] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Let the language which is without sin cast the first stone.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

::: lanzars una piedra :::

[-] bluewing@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

I grew up on a farm along a small river called the Pomme De Terre and we didn't grow potatoes. But we did have a potato lifter to harvest the 1/2 acre or so we would grow for our own consumption.

There was also a small county picnic area in the middle of nowhere by the same name. And no one knew why it was there.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

So you had a potato lifter that just sat there, still and silent, in case you ever decided to grow 1/2 acre of potatoes?

[-] bluewing@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, pretty much. It was a converted horse drawn implement so it was quite old and pretty worn. It did work, but us kids still had to walk behind it to pickup the potatoes it missed.

And when you could muster a small army of 10 kids from 3 families, well you maybe didn't need a potato lifter so much.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

oh, I see you meant you didn’t grow potatoes for the market

[-] bluewing@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago

Ah my bad. Back in those days, having a small one row potato lifter was not unusual for a farm where I grew up. Potatoes were a staple food because they could be stored easily until the next harvest. You would grow a half acre, sometimes more just for your own needs. Along with a lot of other vegetables to be home canned or stored.

Self sufficiency is important when you were poor.

[-] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 53 points 4 days ago

Some German speakers say "Erdapfel" which is literally "earth apple."

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[-] vxx@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago
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[-] MTK@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Not just French

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