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US warns of Chinese disinformation. China says that's disinformation (www.cnn.com)

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A US State Department report that accuses the Chinese government of expanding disinformation efforts is “in itself disinformation,” Beijing’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs claimed Saturday.

The ministry shot back after the State Department issued a striking report this week in which it accused the Chinese government of expanding efforts to control information and to disseminate propaganda and disinformation that promotes “digital authoritarianism” in China and around the world.

The US report, issued by the Global Engagement Center on Thursday, alleged that China spends billions of dollars a year on foreign information manipulation and warned that Chinese leader Xi Jinping had “significantly expanded” efforts to “shape the global information environment.”

It also underlined US concerns about China as a main military competitor and key rival in the battle over ideas and global disinformation.

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[-] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 132 points 1 year ago

[-] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Fits this to a T.

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[-] Naja_kaouthia@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

This is exactly what I was looking for.

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 62 points 1 year ago

This is funny. It also reflects in Lemmy. For example, take this tankie comment claiming "zelensky made having peace negotiations with putin ILLEGAL", based on an article which says "Zelensky’s decree released Tuesday declares that holding negotiations with Russian President Vladimir Putin has become impossible after his decision to annex four regions of Ukraine."

Then watch how mods from lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml ban users and delete comments which question their narrative.

Cherry on top: A user from this curated bubble remarks that "Nobody actually has any argument against this", because of course they are shielded from comments who pointed out the inaccuracy of the claim, and don't question it themselves.

Compare yourself:

lemm.ee version: https://lemm.ee/comment/3929526
lemmygrad.ml version: https://lemmygrad.ml/comment/2389500

Now read that comment in the basement of this thread again:

Understand we American make more lie for pleasure and entertaining. Not chinese lie. China always with great truth.

[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Had to open the links up in web version to see the difference. Ngl, it's something I expected lemmygrad to do. I'm glad to be on lemm.ee. I love the admins and their transparency and how their policies are democratically decided like when we voted to defederate Threads.

I also think there is nothing wrong with stuff like this and it's what lemmy was made for. If one instance doesn't like something, they can remove it, other instances may still want to see it, if members don't like it, they can move or have their own instance but can still interact. It's the beauty of decentralization.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

comments which question their narrative.

But don't you see that's NATO propaganda. Want proof? Have a look at who posted it.

[-] Vilian@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

to be fair it's lemmygrad so it's the worse of qorse, not exactly lemmy in general

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[-] gonzo0815@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 year ago

No u

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Nuh uh

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 13 points 1 year ago

I feel like we could all save a lot of money on diplomats and ministers by just getting a bunch of toddlers to shout "no u" at each other until the end of time.

[-] autotldr 9 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The ministry shot back after the State Department issued a striking report this week in which it accused the Chinese government of expanding efforts to control information and to disseminate propaganda and disinformation that promotes “digital authoritarianism” in China and around the world.

It also underlined US concerns about China as a main military competitor and key rival in the battle over ideas and global disinformation.

“The relevant center of the US State Department which concocted the report is engaged in propaganda and infiltration in the name of ‘global engagement’ – it is a source of disinformation and the command center of ‘perception warfare’,” the ministry said on Saturday.

Referring to wars in Iraq and Syria as well as US reports alleging human rights abuses in China’s Xinjiang as examples, the ministry claimed that the US is “an ‘empire of lies’ through and through.”

“No matter how the US tries to pin the label of ‘disinformation’ on other countries, more and more people in the world have already seen through the US’s ugly attempt to perpetuate its supremacy by weaving lies into ‘emperor’s new clothes’ and smearing others,” the ministry said.

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[-] foggy@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is the best summary I could come up with:

US says China is spewing disinformation.

"No u" Says China.

The original article contains 263 words, the summary contains 10 words. Saved 96%. I'm a regular guy and I'm kinda just kidding!

[-] Namstel@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago

Good guy!

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

I feel like this would be easier to settle if the report came with specific examples of narratives originating from Chinese troll farms with metadata supporting their general origin.

Shit even pegging it to tankies known to be sympathetic to the CCP would probably be sufficient

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