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[-] Loce@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago

Well fuck Win 11, its a fucking downgrade. At Win 10 EOL I'm going back to linux.

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 1 points 42 minutes ago

You and the rest of Lemmy.

[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I stopped following 11 news after they cancelled the native android framework, only thing that got me excited since a BlueStacks installation gets huge extremely fast, I'm not going.

[-] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 9 points 3 hours ago

That problem is that there isn't a better version (not that it was peak in the first place anyway..)

[-] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

Probably a lower adoption rate than Vista

[-] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 34 points 6 hours ago

I'm just waiting for the EOL of window 10 to see which of the following will happen:

  1. Many PCs will stop getting updates, people don't care
  2. Many PCs will be replaced for windows 11
  3. Turns out people already have replaced their PCs due to other reasons
  4. Microsoft removes the hardware requirements
  5. People switch to another OS
  6. People just don't buy a home PC anymore
  7. ????
  8. Profit???
[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 9 points 3 hours ago

6 is becoming increasingly more common. Anecdotally, almost all of the gamers I know use consoles and have a phone for all of their "computer needs." One of my friends probably wouldn't even use his if it weren't for VR Chat.

[-] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm a computer gamer but my kids like Xbox....they're switching to Linux steam big picture mode.

[-] huzzahunimpressively@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

My bet is that they are gonna surrender and will remove restriccions to W11. I doubt that a non-it person gonna install Linux, at least that, some companies decided to resell old~ computers with linux preinstalled that's the only way

[-] Sabata11792@ani.social 9 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

My money is on MS kicking the can down the road and adding another year or two to the support last minute, then not fixing any of the issues with 11.

[-] trespasser69@lemmy.world 12 points 6 hours ago

240 millions PC will become e-waste if Win10 reaches EoL

[-] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 3 hours ago

EoL doesn't mean it will stop completely; people will probably keep using it till they can't anymore, like pc becoming too slow or their home banking site not working.

[-] VonReposti@feddit.dk 6 points 5 hours ago

Sounds like homelabber paradise is headed for eBay

[-] Disonantezko@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 4 hours ago

Or Win10 IoT LTSC till 2032

[-] krippix@feddit.org 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I don't see the os switch happening unless microsoft stops existing in its entirety.

Abandoning home PCs could be a thing I guess, but i feel like that would happen either way for these people

[-] InnerScientist@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

I doubt the os switch is happening too, some will probably switch but that will be a small amount, either they get Linux or afaik all other "popular" options require new hardware anyways (Macos)

I think many will just stay on windows 10 if their hardware doesn't support 11 but ehh

Difficult to say, that's why I'm waiting on the EOL for headlines like "millions of pcs vulnerable due to missing updates" or "maybe we were a little hard on crowdstrike"

[-] Joeffect@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Linux has been gaining market share, it's at 4.5% or so, it's not much but just until recently it never even hit 3%

Maybe Valve has something to do with it but who knows... I think we will see a bigger jump and it will start being as common as os x or something... I plan to switch and have been trying out different things

[-] Defaced@lemmy.world 37 points 8 hours ago

If there was ever a time for valve to push advertising out for the steam deck and steamOS it's now. The final piece of the gaming puzzle is anticheat. If valve gets the proprietary anticheat makers on board then it's all over. Every major hurdle would've been overcome, but games like valorant and call of duty still don't work because of vanguard and ricochet.

With how terrible windows handhelds are, imagine how awesome it would be for those cod players to be able to play a round of warzone on the toilet? I joke, but seriously, that's the demographic that needs to adopt a platform like the steam deck. That's the barrier valve has to overcome, and I'm worried they just don't care or something even more legally gray is happening, like Microsoft giving game devs incentive to use proprietary anticheat or to just not flip that EAC flag in their code.

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[-] vonxylofon@lemmy.world 113 points 10 hours ago

Microsoft has a Windows 11 problem. Staying on Windows 10 is a symptom.

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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 197 points 11 hours ago

I mean, they could solve it by not making the mandatory successor an ad-laden, AI-infested, personal data harvesting, privacy-nightmare shit show. That would be a start. And also relax whatever the artificial requirement is that makes a lot of Win10 machines incompatible with 11.

[-] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 21 points 9 hours ago

Windows 10 is already an ad-laden, AI-infested, personal data harvesting, privacy-nightmare shit show. The problem with 11 is the ridiculous hardware requirements.

Windows 10 is trash and has always been. Windows 7 was the last good Windows, and I would still use it if it had security updates and DX12 support (I obviously mainly use Linux, but my gaming PC is on Windows, and no, some games I play and software I use 100% do not work on Linux).

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[-] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 34 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

You can bypass the requirements since yeah, they were always artificial. I believe Rufus has an option when creating Win11 install USBs to remove the TPM and other requirements.

But then again, it's nice, because all I need to make sure Microsoft doesn't secretly update my Win10 machine in the night to Win11 is to turn off the TPM in the BIOS.

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

You can bypass the requirements

Not all of them. Windows 11 stopped booting with Update 24H2 on CPUs that don't support the Instruction POPCNT. But that's only an issue for really old CPUs like Intel Core 2 Duo and AMD Athlon 64 X2

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 hours ago

For a bit more context than "really old": I had an Intel Core 2 Duo in 2009.

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Another angle: Those were some of the first dual-core x86 processors, released 2006 and 2005 respectively. (Intel had the Pentium D as its first in 2005).

I don't remember which I had for sure. I'm leaning more towards Core 2 Duo. It was my first PC, I was 12 and built it with my father.

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[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 19 points 9 hours ago

The author asks many questions, but never the most important one: "Why don't people like Windows 11?"

[-] Demdaru@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago

Why would he? Anybody intersted already knows, rest doesn't give a flying duck.

[-] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 37 points 10 hours ago

Many years ago, I attended a Windows XP launch event. The Microsoft presenter had the perfect line to describe how MS views this:
"Why should you upgrade to Windows XP? Because we're going to stop supporting Windows 98!"

This was said completely unironically and with the expectation that people would just do what MS wanted them to do. That attitude hasn't changed in the years since. Win 10 is going to be left behind. You will either upgrade or be vulnerable. Also, MS doesn't care about the home users, they care about the businesses and the money to be had. And businesses will upgrade. They will invariably wait to the last minute and then scramble to get it done. But, whether because they actually give a shit about security or they have to comply with security frameworks (SOX, HIPAA, etc.), they will upgrade. Sure, they will insist on GPOs to disable 90% of the Ads and tracking shit, but they will upgrade.

[-] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 31 points 10 hours ago

Because we're going to stop supporting Windows 98!

At least there was a technical reason there, that Microsoft was merging the two separate codebases for consumer Windows and enterprise Windows, and building on the better NT codebase than the 95->98->ME codebase.

And XP was actually way better for the main thing that we were going to be using computers for going forward: networked with the actual internet.

Windows 11? Can't see any paradigm shift in how the operating system itself is supposed to work, at least not on anything that actually makes a difference in a favorable way.

[-] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago

Ya, in fairness to MS, Windows XP was a good release (post SP1, like most "good" MS releases). But, the fact is that MS is going to push the latest version, regardless of how ready it is for use. MS was hot for folks to switch to Windows ME. And holy fuck was that a terrible OS. MS also did everything short of bribery to get folks to switch to Vista (anyone remember Windows Mojave?). The "upgrade, or else" mantra has always been their way. Not that I blame them too much, it does need to happen. It just sucks when the reason for the new OS is more intrusive ads and user tracking.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 20 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

obligatory 🐧 that must be in every thread

[-] Magister@lemmy.world 54 points 11 hours ago

I know it's not a hardware compatibility problem. People just don't want ads/tracking/AI bullshit, a removed control panel, settings that are hard to find/hidden, etc.

All intel processor 8th gen+ (and even some 7th gen IIRC) are win11 compatible, motherboard have TPM2 for years, even my intel 6th gen MB have TPM2.0.

Next year the intel 8th gen will have 8 years, people have PC/laptop more recent than that. Problem is that win10 will not get security updates and all.

I'm using MX Linux BTW.

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 hours ago

I still got a Ryzen 1600, that would be just fine for when my flatmate needs a PC for working remotely, but his company reqires Windows 11 :-(

[-] n2burns@lemmy.ca 26 points 10 hours ago

It's not a hardware compatibility problem for you or people who have reasonably new computers. However, for the last decade or so, computers have kind of stagnated and old computers are still very functional, something I couldn't have said a decade or two ago.

I'm typing this on a ThinkPad x201 which was released in 2010. TBF, I've updated it as much as I can (8GB of RAM and an SSD), it's running Linux Mint because Windows drags, and even then it's getting tired.

My Spouse's laptop is an Acer with a 5th gen i3. A couple years ago, she was complaining it was getting a bit slow, so I threw an SSD in it and now she's happy with how it runs Windows 10, and I'm sure it would run Windows 11 fine if a TPM2.0 chip wasn't required.

It's forced obsolesces for a hardware requirement most home users are never going to use.

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[-] arscynic@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 hours ago

“On Windows 10 PCs without an ESU subscription, however, any security flaws found from that day forward will remain unpatched, making those PCs increasingly vulnerable to online attacks.”

“Windows unpatched […] increasingly vulnerable to online attacks” is a facetious statement since the operating system is inherently malware.

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