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Good analysis:
"Ppl like her because she’s real. Ppl perceive Trump as real too. Dems need to do a better job of just being real with ppl. Coming on social media and chatting with ppl, etc."
That's why people liked Bernie too.
AOC is real.
But DJT is the most fictional character who's ever existed. Nothing he's ever said, done, or been has been true.
Sadly, we're stuck in the reality that allows his falsehoods to affect real humans.
Well, like the quoted person said:
Ppl perceive Trump as real too.
Now, I have no idea how anyone could possibly think that, unless they only get Trump sanewashed by their favorite news outlet.
You vastly, vastly overestimate the intelligence of the average person/voter.
Most Americans read and write at a 6th or 7th grade level.
Most Americans have never had critical thinking as part of their educational curricula. If you're very lucky you'll cover critical thinking skills as part of AP English in highschool, otherwise that's a second semester course your freshman year of college. Most Americans can't look at a particular piece of media and unpack what it's saying and why it's saying it. Americans are ridiculously easy to manipulate as a result.
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Nah, DJT is real AF.
He said he’s gonna round up 20+ Million immigrants, I believe it. He says he’s gonna send the military after the enemy within, like Pelosi and Schiff, I believe it. He says don’t worry, no one’s ever going to need to vote again, to keep him in power, I definitely believe it.
He's gonna try, I doubt he can convince the military to do anything to high ranking democratic officials.
Maybe if a "lower ranking" democratic congressperson like AOC do a BLM protest in Washington D.C, she might get harassed by the capitol police, but they'll be fine. I doubt she'll get shot.
The average civillian, however, if you still have any yard signs indicating that you support any democratic candidates, you might wanna take those down, because you might randonly get investigated for whatever trumped-up (pun intended) charges they invent. Or get a no-knock raid and ends with buller holes in your skull.
If you look "Mexican" to them, you could get deported if you don't have your papers with you, even if you are legal, or even a citizen. (Might wanna look into getting a fireproof safe to store those documents, also keep photo backups of any documents that prove that you are here legally)
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It's easy for a serial liar to sound "real" when they are lying. That's what they're good at.
When you at least attempt to keep to the truth, it limits how appealing your sales pitch is.
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Whoever was running Harris campaign needs to be barred from being in charge of any political campaign ever again; talk about legendary levels of mismanagement.
They had the golden opportunity to lean into the ‘weird’ meme and hammer Trump/Vance on that issue - but decided against it because it was what, ‘demeaning’?
The Dems need a firebrand, with a truely populist message and policies; rather than just lip service.
The dumbfucks who stayed home chose not to have elections again.
Oh I thought it was the dumbfucks in the Democrat party who chose to run a shit campaign and marginalised their voters into not showing up while they focused on getting lobbying money and chasing right wingers fault 🤷
Both things can be true at the same time; the world isn’t black and white - but various shades of grey.
The Harris campaign was awfully milquetoast, but people’s indifference also played a major role.
Don't run a campaign that inspires indifference then.
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Implicitly. But if you look at the responses given in the article, I do not believe these people knew what they were choosing implicitly.
So many of them seem to be rejecting the government as it is, and stupid as it may be, Trump republicans are the only ones filling that void.
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I wonder what these numbskulls thought of Tim Walz. He seemed to do the real, down-to-earth thing pretty well also.
It was just too late. Plus, he was supporting Harris, who they didn't see as genuine.
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We need real populists, that go after people's needs, not pseudopopulists like in GOP.
Hard to pull that off when the entire core of the DNC is permanently latched onto the corporate teat.
We have a lot of work ahead of us if we want to break the core of the party and force even a smidgen of compromise out of them that costs their corporate donors profits.
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This is fucking nuts. Some of those answers are people being so uninformed and then acting like they're the ones that are informed. Some even voted for Trump because they think he's anti-war and will stop the Genocide in Gaza despite him wanting to turbocharge it. It's just. Fucking depressing. I don't know how to counter this. The far right has created a media ecosystem that allows them to feed trash into their viewers brains even if it's a blatant lie and those people will go from voting for a blatant racist and fascist who thinks people of color are not real Americans, to voting for a left leaning woman of color.
It's almost like they don't have any actual morals or beliefs and only care about being anti-establishment. Some say they'd vote for Bernie but instead voted for Trump despite them being completely opposite people. These people don't have media literacy. They've been brainwashed, and I don't know how to fix it.
The thing AOC, Bernie and Trump do have in common is that they are all populists. That they would also have accepted AOC or Bernie means that they dont necessarily want a demagogue, but its also not a deal breaker for them.
We need to stop with the brainwashing talk. A few people on the fringe were clearly mentally ill, but the rest of them had agency and they made a choice.
I get what you're saying. And agree somewhat. But I think you don't have to be mentally ill or an idiot or whatever to be brainwashed. But being brainwashed is 100% what a lot of people on the right are and refusing to use that term might make sense in some regard, but it also doesn't properly address how we could go about fixing things. While I don't fully know how to fix this, treating it like brainwashing is the only way we can address it, as long as we also approach these people with patience and compassion and try to show them why what they spout is brainwashed.
It's a cult ya know? And cults are brainwashed. And calling people mentally ill or idiots for falling for it will definitely just make them double down. But it's still brainwashing.
If half the population is actually susceptible to brainwashing over Facebook then democracy itself is unworkable. These people clearly have preferences and are making choices, including the choice to know very little about what they vote for. Im afraid that patience and compassion will only encourage this behavior.
If half the population is actually susceptible to brainwashing over Facebook then democracy itself is unworkable.
It's a bit like how the divine right of kings couldn't survive the invention of the printing press
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Trump is a pseudopopulists, he fools people into thinking he is fighting for them while fighting for himself.
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they think he’s anti-war and will stop the Genocide in Gaza
He's an IRL Peacemaker... He wants peace in Israel and doesn't care how many have to die to achieve it.
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If you voted for trump and AOC you need to make sure you never leave home without your fucking helmet on. Fuck.
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I appreciate the value of honesty and authenticity as key reasons people choose to support a candidate.
However, it is clear that Donald Trump often makes false statements.
Furthermore, Kamala Harris might have benefited from participating in more contemporary media formats, such as podcasts and Twitch streams, to enhance her outreach. Additionally, focusing less on appealing to Republican voters might have been advantageous, as this strategy CLEARLY contributed to her electoral loss.
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trump only picked up 500,000 more votes than last time. Lets hear from the 10,000,000 that voted in 2020 but not this election
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I thought this was just click bait. But some of the answers are actually interesting (and scary in that way) how people can "rationally" explain how they fell for the lies of trump ("he cares about Muslims", "he is a political outsider", "he gets things done"...)
It's the delivery.
Delivery is everything.
Trump reached these people, and Biden/Harris did not. It's that simple. The message does not matter if it doesn't get there. And this is a tremendous failure, considering the war chest the Dems squandered.
And I have zero faith they will learn from it. All the arguing I see is over policy that these people clearly never even laid eyes on.
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Jesus christ, this is what unaffordable education does to people. For fucks sake. I mean it's only fitting for a population that can't figure out that someone advertising a 1/3lb burger and directly comparing it to the competition 1/4lb, bragging about the price being the same, might indicate that 1/3lb is more despite 3 being a smaller number. What a combination, people that belive their thoughts are the only source of truth while having no clue what they're talking about.
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I think long COVID has impacted more Americans than we realize. Everyone out there suffering from diminished capacities thinking that the fascist sex-pest goomba is somehow more reliable than the nice black lady. I dunno about you guys, but I've just been seeing a whole lot of mistakes lately. On television, in News, in articles, just... everywhere.
And while a lot of it is probably people quiet quitting and not giving a fuck, I think a lot more people are suffering from the extended brain fog of long COVID than we think, and it's affecting everything around us. Unfortunately, that includes voting practices in elections.
mine isn't a brain fog but COVID and a trump presidency made me not trust humans at all.
i no longer trust friends, family, neighbors, governments, leaders, police, doctors, businesses. none of them maintained trust during the Trump presidency and the pandemic.
but i still vote straight ticket democrat. because their platform doesn't include NAZI-ism
The NYTimes wrote it out for me:
The playbook for transforming a democracy into a soft autocracy was clear: Win power with a populist message against elites. Redraw parliamentary districts. Change voting laws. Harass civil society. Pack courts with judges willing to support power grabs. Enrich cronies through corruption. Buy up newspapers and television stations and turn them into right-wing propaganda. Use social media to energize supporters. Wrap it up in an Us versus Them message: Us, the “real” Russians or Hungarians or Americans, against a rotating cast of Them: the migrants, the Muslims, the liberals, the gays, George Soros and on and on.
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For the people that don't want to scroll a bunch of stupid stories for the answers
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These answers read like idiocracy…
“He felt like he cared because he was an outsider”
I’m just waiting for “She talked all faggy-like”
“Ow my balls”
“He really spoke to me, and her professional speak made me feel dumb”
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I don't know if this kind of thing is captured very well but I wonder how many voted blue for other Federal offices but simply skipped President. I understand the general motivation behind "sending a message" and "leaving this one up to chance" but good Lord.
This is like me refusing to "play chase" with my kid even though he's running right towards the street. It's annoying as fuck every time but the consequence of me "refusing to play" could be dire. After I save the little shit for the 10th time I punish him, but in a way that doesn't kill or cripple him for life.
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Their excuses are baffling. Harris didn't have policy. Okay, but Trump did? He kept walking about "concepts" of a plan, and lying about wanting P25. Trump is for the people? He is hanging out with, like, the national league of assholes and duchebags. "Harris was scary." BUT NAZIS AREN'T!?
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Every single one of those answers is straight out of the mouths of Fox News. If you don't disable open nationwide propaganda broadcasts, you'll never fix the problem.
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I know lots of people are really down on this but it seems like people just want change. We all know the system isn't working for most people right now and want something different.
Trump is different. Bad but different. If you have little hope make sense to break everything. If there's a real progressive change candidate people will be excited. Change is what is needed
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