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The mother of a woman whose body was paraded through the streets by Hamas has pleaded for help finding her daughter.

A video showing German tattoo artist Shani Louk on the back of a pickup truck circulated on social media after the Palestinian militant group Hamas attacked Israel on October 7.

Louk had been attending an outdoor "Festival for Peace" party near Kibbutz Urim when the area was targeted. First, rockets were launched, then gunmen and appeared and shot into the crowd, CNN reported. Party attendees told the outlet people immediately started to flee, passing dead bodies on the ground as they tried to escape the massacre.

The attack and resulting conflict has left hundreds of Israelis and Palestinians dead, with Israel's prime minister declaring war.

A video of a young woman with dreadlocks on the back of a pickup truck and surrounded by Hamas soldiers started circulating on social media shortly after the attack. In it, she appears stripped to her underwear, and her legs are bent at unnatural angles, while one soldier grabs her hair. People are also seen spitting on her body.

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[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 245 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In it, she appears stripped to her underwear, and her legs are bent at unnatural angles, while one soldier grabs her hair. People are also seen spitting on her body.

And some terrorist supporters here on Lemmy were trying to explain to us that they were just casually "transporting" the body of a dead woman and that they weren't doing anything disgusting with her. We all know what islamist terrorists do when they spot a young woman, to pretend that Hamas is any different from ISIS is to be completely delusional.

Palestinians will lose more and more support (mine already) as long as they keep shielding the Islamist animals of Hamas.

EDIT: also thank goodness for !world@lemmy.world, because others like !worldnews@lemmy.ml are run by terrorist supporters (see for yourself in their modlog: https://lemmy.ml/modlog/14788)

[-] TheJims@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Both things can be bad… you know that? Right?

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 118 points 1 year ago

Can someone please explain to me why both Israel and Hamas (not the Palestinian people as a whole, just Hamas) can't be condemned for the atrocities they have committed?

Because Lemmy seems to be telling me I have to pick a side and, as far as I can tell, both sides have committed atrocities. Why should I pick either side? Why can't I just say both are evil and not support either side? Must I take a side in every conflict? Because I sure as hell didn't when Iran and Iraq were warring.

[-] gh0stcassette@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 year ago

You can, Hamas is fucking terrible, you should just add the context that the only reason Hamas even exists is due to Israeli policy. Trapping millions of people in tiny, resource-poor ghettos as part of an ongoing ethnic cleansing, you've gotta expect some of them are going to get desperate enough to join a religious fundamentalist terror organization.

Also Netanyahu's government literally sent them money because a democratic, secular, progressive resistance to Israeli occupation would make it harder to justify their aggression towards the Palestinian population, and a strong Hamas makes that less likely.

Same way 9/11 is pretty objectively a consequence of US intervention in the middle east, but the people who did 9/11 are still terrorists who (imo) deserved to die, the reason it's good to mention that it was a consequence of US policy is so that we can avoid creating the circumstances that lead to terror attacks like that in the future, and to avoid causing massive amounts of suffering as a result of military interventions in foreign countries.

Hamas is one shitty side effect among many of genocidal Israeli government policy and imo serves to aid and abet that policy by giving the Israeli state an excuse to crack down harder on Palestinians.

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[-] Doxatek@mander.xyz 24 points 1 year ago

Most people can't handle nuance so for many issues are either black or white

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[-] GivingEuropeASpook@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

"Both are evil" rhetoric is often used to justify or obfuscate one sides crimes, and because on the broader scale, Israel unfolds destruction and death at a higher scale, so there's a lot of intense emotions from thise keyed into Palestinian struggle. That's why so many want you to pick.

It is important to remember Hamas ≠ Palestinians, and Israeli government ≠ Israeli citizens. Yes, they live in a colonial state, but Hamas doesn't care if they try to fight to change it or not, furthermore, most left leaning people are in colonial states or in former colonizing states so they are basically saying they think violence against them is justified too. Everyone should be aware of their privileges and work to dismantle the systems that create them, but that doesn't mean they need be killed in order to realize that!

It's ridiculous because you're absolutely right too, Israeli calling them all "human animals" and doing a total blockade of Gaza is a war crime, but so is what happened to Shani Louk. In the world I am fighting for, the people responsible for both would be held accountable.

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[-] ClarkDoom@lemmy.world 100 points 1 year ago

Hamas is evil and anyone on here supporting them are complicit in supporting evil.

[-] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 96 points 1 year ago

Hamas is a monster fed by Israeli antagonism because feeding those trying to coexist peacefully prevents colonization. They build a monster to fight in order to get more support from people who simply want the monster to go away. All the while, they move to accomplish their real goal of getting rid of Palestinians like other evil empires have attempted to do to Jewish people for millenia. It's a fucking tragedy to see people that should know the pain of discrimination more than anyone, perpetuate the cycle of violence. Theocratic nationalism is a sin against humanity.

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[-] Buffaloaf@lemmy.world 76 points 1 year ago

When you attack a festival for peace, guess what? You're the bad guys.

[-] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Festival for peace

Where is this coming from? This article mentions that CNN reported it but CNN just says "an all-night dance party, celebrating the Jewish holiday of Sukkot"

The "it was a peace festival" seems to just be (not very good) propaganda to help drum up support for further Palestinian genocide.

Edit: it seems that this was something CNN initially reported but retracted later. Damage already done, other articles are quoting CNN's previous statement that it was a "festival for peace"

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[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago

But Reddit and Lemmy keep telling me Hamas are the oppressed good guys! /S

[-] snek@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago

I am yes to see that on Lemmy in the way you describe /: seems like everyone agrees that killing civilians is wrong, including when Israel does it.

[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

you missed the Marxists from lemmygrad who yesterday kept cheering for Hamas and kept downplaying their savagery

[-] snek@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ah okay, so when you said lemmy, you meant lemmygrad specifically

[-] AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

Marxists and the far-left are also spread all over Lemmy, not just lemmygrad, you could see more pro-terrorist comments from other instances. Their pattern is usually the same: rebrand it as "resistance", downplay the fact that they targeted mainly civilians, and rewrite the facts by claiming for example that the woman was just being transported for burial.

[-] glockenspiel@programming.dev 34 points 1 year ago

Exactly. I’m a far-leftist, and I’m as disgusted with leftist hot takes the same way I was when poor old defenseless Russia invaded Ukraine and started murdering their children.

I’ve blocked and purged so many leftist creators in 24 hours it is unreal. Spreading legit anti-Semitic (really anti-Jew) conspiracy theories (“curious how nobody stopped it” and the like). Reframing these terrorists as freedom fighters like you said. Blaming this on the U.S. somehow (because we made Iran do this via Hamas as proxy; but Iran has clean hands don’t worry they are just another oppressed peoples).

Far too many leftists, like their right wing nut counterparts, are contrarians at heart. This is what happens when political ideology becomes a personality trait; it becomes akin to a religion.

So thoroughly disgusted by it all. Bad enough what’s happening over there in Israel and Palestine right now; bad enough with all the innocent lives being lost; but then to justify industrial grade rape and murder of men, women, and children? And cheer Palestinians on as they record, edit, and upload their barbarity?

I’d like to believe that a lot of it are disinformation ops, but the sad reality is probably that a fair number of people have nothing left to live for because their lives are shit so the world burning down for others isn’t such a big deal for them.

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[-] originalfrozenbanana@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

Yes but lemmygrad and hexbear are hardly representative of the fediverse.

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[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I believe your instance has hexbear blocked. They were all over the top of /All yesterday celebrating these attacks and being generally immature. I even saw one post wishing Bernie Sanders was dead after he released a statement condemning the attacks.

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[-] Akagigahara@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

The entire situation is fubar. I feel for the citizens of both Israel and Palestine as both countries are just horrible to each other. To me it feels like there is no good side, whatever you choose, you end up with one form of evil x.x

I wish there would be a good way to solve this but I am not sure that this will be fixed any time soon. Hopefully the bloodshed will be minimal, because hoping for none at all would be futile

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[-] notapantsday@feddit.de 25 points 1 year ago

There are no good guys in this story.

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