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[-] teft@startrek.website 160 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The United Federation of Planets straddles the line between the Alpha and Beta quadrant. They are about 50/50 on either side. In fact the line runs right through the Sol system so half the year we Earthers are in the Alpha quadrant and the other half we're in the Beta quadrant.

[-] Snowcano@startrek.website 100 points 1 year ago

This of the kind of accurate pedantry I can get behind.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

I'm not the least surprised that people made a map of the Star Trek star systems.

But I'm impressed anyway.

It does bother me that (afaik) we still don’t have a solid 3D model of the ST galaxy…

[-] ApostleO@startrek.website 25 points 1 year ago

Wow, I legitimately never knew this. I thought all these civilizations were in the Alpha Quadrant. I only remembered the Beta Quadrant being mentioned once in TOS.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I think the much more frequent mentions of the Alpha quadrant in TOS are less about where the Federation was located and more about where the Enterprise was assigned to explore on its five-year mission.

[-] lolrightythen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Quadrants never made sense to be. Wouldn't you want to with octants - having the center of the galaxy being the dividing point?

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah I don’t see why you would want some random arm of the spiral to be the dividing point.

But quadrants still make sense though.

[-] lolrightythen@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I spose a galaxy is largely planar. Makes sense

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah I was thinking a spiral galaxy such as ours, split it into quadrants. There’s some level of depth there, but still relatively “flat”

Still doesn’t quite match up with OPs pic, which might be canon?

I don't know; I always got the sense that the use of the word "quadrant" varied from writer to writer, and what makes up a "quadrant" changes not only show to show but episode to episode. Voyager spent 7 years in the Delta quadrant, while in Star Trek 6 Sulu's Excelsior was inconveniently far away from the Enterprise because "We're now in...(pause to check console) Alpha quadrant." and had to "fly her apart then!" to get to Enterprise in a matter of minutes or hours.

[-] ramble81@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

So which was is the Delta quadrant in that image? Also, where does the other end of the wormhole pop out?

[-] dublet@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

The Delta Quadrants is not featured in that image, only the lower two quarters. Putting into context, that map is the lower blob in this:

Quadrants

The Alpha-Beta blob should be shifted down a bit, and possibly shrunk. Earth is significantly closer to the galactic rim, on that arm that currently goes across the southern edge of the Alpha-Beta blob.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Is that Borg collective BJ or PJ (before Janeway/post Janeway)?

[-] teft@startrek.website 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The Sol system is ~26,000 light years from the center of the galaxy. The UFP is about 8000 light years distant according to Picard in First Contact. So the Delta quadrant would be ~9 times the distance that this maps shows away in the direction of the Romulans (Kathy and crew have to travel 70000 light years). That's my best guess as I can't find a reliable quadrant map.

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 5 points 1 year ago

So, if they had had to take the long way home, would they have wound up stuck on the other side of the Romulans? I'm sure the Romulans would love the story about the Star Fleet ship just happened to end up on the other side of their border because of unexplainable godlike powers. That definitely wouldn't cause any issues. I'm sure they'd have given Voyager safe passage back to the Federation

[-] teft@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well the Romulan Government knew of Voyager and where they were because of that time Voyager contacted ~~Admiral Forrest~~ Telek R'mor through a micro wormhole into the past. Barclay even mentions that the Romulans were very interested in Voyager for some time.

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

Oh, that's a good point. It would have been cool to see that come back and save them at the end

[-] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Delta and Gamma quadrants would be on the opposite side of the galactic center and aren't pictured. I'm not sure whether they would be off the top or the bottom of the page, but that yellow line dividing the Alpha and Beta quadrants is also the line dividing Gamma and Delta.

[-] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 1 year ago

But wait, the sun moves around in its orbit around the galaxy. How can the sun be straddling the line at all times? You can't even solve that by saying the division is exactly in the same plane as the sun's orbit because it varies up and down due to differences in the galactic make-up. Does the dividing line just move with the sun like some sort of sol-centric division?

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago

There's no way to define a direction of a galaxy really, so you'd have to choose some arbitrary direction as "north" or whatever you call it. I assume that's what they've done. They define the direction to Sol as the line upon which everything else is measured.

[-] fluxion@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

You can't out-woke the Federation

[-] charonn0@startrek.website 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

OK, fine. You can be crummy quadrant alpha; we'll be quadrant one.

[-] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago

Or the mongooses! That's a good team name. The Flighting Mongooses!

[-] Comment105@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

Oh, is this some intergalactic Sony vs Xbox console war?

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Romulans: The damned Vulcans put you up to this, didn't they!

Vulcans: We did not; however we do see the logic in their clarification and designation methodologies.

Andorians: Hell yeah we do! Up yours Romuloosers!

Tellarites: I still think we should have called your side the Asshole Zone.

Humans: We voted, with four 'yeas' and one 'nay.' And here on earth we have a saying, "If you don't vote you can't complain."

Romulans: But- You- I- Wait. Hold on a second. Who was the fourth "yea?"

Klingons: We wanted to be the Alpha Quadrant but the humans threatened to blow our planet up. It's not our fault they can't just resolve disputes with a good war like a civilized species.

[-] TheFonz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago
[-] littlecolt@lemm.ee 31 points 1 year ago

Oh yeah well we call your quadrant the ligma quadrant.

[-] Worx@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 1 year ago
[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Not much, what's a quadrant with you?

[-] Comment105@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago
[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 1 year ago

around 25 percent? Does the neutral zone not count as part of any quadrant? 🤔

[-] Comment105@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I seem to recall quadrant occasionally used for referring to things that are just roughly a quarter of whatever they're a part of.

[-] bingbong@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago

Ligma quadrant lmao gottem

What's quadrant?

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This quadrant kinda feels like a beta, you know?

[-] Johanno@feddit.de 20 points 1 year ago

What a sigma move

And also for the entire Dominion war we forget that half the federation, the Klingons, and the romulans are all in the beta quadrant. But we're fighting to save the alpha quadrant.

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Well yeah, because of the Federation falls, they're next in line.

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