Back in the 80s my grandmother had a cat. Her neighbors at the time had some very feral and aggressive dogs in their back yard. One day her cat got out of the house, and those dogs escaped their fence and tore her cat to shreds.
The next day she mixed up some antifreeze meatballs and tossed them over the fence.
The neighbors never knew what killed their dogs.
That largely depends on whether the poisoning was deliberate, and whether the dog survived.
I've only recently learned that onions and garlic are toxic to dogs and can and will cause seizures and even death. Not like anyone goes out of their way to feed onions or garlic to their dogs, but humans commonly add those things to our own food for extra flavor, which is partly why they say people shouldn't feed their dog table scraps.
So if it wasn't intentional, I'd be inclined to forgive them. But if it was intentional such as antifreeze or chocolate poisoning, I'd never forgive them, and I'd call the cops and report animal cruelty.
https://yourdogadvisor.com/foods-dogs-cant-eat/
Edit: Spelling, plus added chocolate.
Note that a dog would need to eat a surprisingly large amount of onions, garlic, or chocolate in order to get sick. According to the AKC:
Onion powder is in a surprisingly wide range of foods, from soups to baby food. It only takes 100 grams of onion (about the size of a medium onion) per 20 kilograms of a dog’s weight to cause toxic effects, which means that a 45-pound dog would only have to eat one medium-to-large onion to experience dangerous toxicity levels. Since most dogs would happily devour a bag of unattended onion rings or an onion casserole given the opportunity, this is a serious concern.
Scientific studies have found it takes approximately 15 to 30 grams of garlic per kilogram of body weight to produce harmful changes in a dog’s blood. To put that into perspective, the average clove of supermarket garlic weighs between 3 and 7 grams, so your dog would have to eat a lot to get really sick. However, some dogs are more sensitive to garlic toxicity than others, and consumption of a toxic dose spread out over a few days could also cause problems.
In simpler terms, that means a very concerning dose of chocolate is approximately one ounce of milk chocolate per pound of body weight. Since an average milk chocolate bar may be around 1.55 ounces, consuming even one chocolate bar can have serious consequences, especially for small dogs. Eating a crumb of chocolate cake or a very small piece of a chocolate bar, on the other hand, probably won’t kill your dog, especially if it is a larger breed.
One time my dog ate some chocolate and I was worried until I calculated that a dog his size (and he wasn't a big dog) would have to eat an entire full-sized bar of dark chocolate before experiencing any symptoms at all. It's probably best not to give dogs food containing small amounts of onions, garlic, or chocolate just in case, but there's no need to worry if a dog eats human food containing small amounts of these ingredients.
Well, a few months ago, before I learned of the onion and garlic sensitivity thing, a friend of ours fed our dog a few bites of some awesome home cooked meat with garlic and onions in it.
It wasn't a whole lot, just a few bites really, and our dog weighs right around 20 pounds. Anyways, after he had some time to digest it, around noon the next day he had an all out seizure for around 30 seconds, and then spent the next few hours shivering and obviously a bit scared and confused.
Luckily it wasn't worse, and thankfully he hasn't had any other seizures since. That was when I went ahead and looked up that much more complete list of foods dogs shouldn't eat, to prevent any future episodes or worse..
Your statement contradicts your quotes.
Note that a dog would need to eat a surprisingly large amount of onions, garlic, or chocolate in order to get sick.
which means that a 45-pound dog would only have to eat one medium-to-large onion to experience dangerous toxicity levels. Since most dogs would happily devour a bag of unattended onion rings or an onion casserole given the opportunity, this is a serious concern.
However, some dogs are more sensitive to garlic toxicity than others, and consumption of a toxic dose spread out over a few days could also cause problems.
consuming even one chocolate bar can have serious consequences, especially for small dogs.
So, no surprisingly large amounts at all here.
I think "an entire large onion" or "one chocolate bar" are surprisingly large amounts, because my default assumption when something is called poisonous is that any amount is dangerous.
An onion or a chocolate bar is not that much, unless your dog is tiny. And no, the dose makes the poison, that's the basic principle of toxicology. Anything can kill you, you can die from even drinking too much water too quickly.
My point is that if you give your dog some of your human food and there turns out to be a little bit of garlic in it, your dog is in no danger. Many people don't know that. I'm not challenging basic principles of toxicology or claiming that a dog can't possibly eat enough of these foods to be poisoned. If your small dog eats a chocolate bar or a whole bag of onion rings, you should probably do something about that.
Also, the following isn't a reply to what you said but I just remembered it and I thought it might be useful information for some dog owners. Swallowing even a little bit of dilute hydrogen peroxide from the pharmacy will quickly make a dog vomit. It took less than a teaspoon for my 30-pound dog. I would start with a teaspoon and then he spilled a lot while I was trying to make him swallow it. I had to resort to this several times when he ate something dangerous.
IMO this is generally safe (but do your own reading and take your own dog's specific issues into account) and even if it's not ideal, it's something useful for those dog owners who would have difficulty spending hundreds of dollars on surprise vet bills. Some vets will tell you not to do it, but in my experience, many vets will recommend way too much medical treatment for dogs, often to the point that it is a waste of money and sometimes even to the point that it harms the dog.
Didn't survive. Radiator coolant and dog feces. Veterinarian that put him down told me.
yeah why tell the people that the person works for ?
anyways thank you all for the answers.
But you didn't answer the most important question - was it done on purpose or was it an accident?
Are you saying they put radiator coolant in dog feces and got the dog to eat the feces?
Radiator fluid tastes sweet to dogs, they’ll drink it happily if it’s provided. It’s one of those things that assholes who kill dogs tend to know.
Same for cats.
It’s a horrible way to kill an animal, and it’s hard to imagine the pooch having access to radiator fluid accidentally.
Coolant leaks kill a lot of pets and strays. It sounds like OP's story was intentional, but it does happen by accident.
They do.
But coolant leaks typically aren’t happening the same time some one is dog sitting or whatever.
If they lived together, I suspect it wouldn’t be so hard to believe it was an accident; but randomly having a radiator leak the same time your dog sitting? Or the dog is visiting?
I had a neighbor who worked on cars in his driveway. Several neighborhood cats died before people realized what was going on. This was back in the 90s, though, and I don't see so many outdoor cats nowadays.
Let’s just be honest here and recognize that wasn’t an accident. He may not have intended to harm animals; but he was intentionally releasing toxic substances into the environment.
(Illegally, I might add.)
It’s one thing if you have a burst radiator hose or something where you can’t easily clean it.
It’s something else if it’s a regular occurrence.
Regardless of what your next steps are, I'm sorry for your loss.
I'm sorry for your loss. I would get the police involved.
Just avoid stealing his car too, maybe he will forgive you.
That's their uncle's concern, their fate was sealed the moment harm came to the dog.
You're right.
It wasn't a random dog, but a substitute for John Wicks dead wife (as a family replacement to ground him a bit from his killer world experience). Although curiously enough it wasn't given a proper name.
You don't.
Honestly depending on your relationship with this person and if the pet died, I would likely be seeking civil court for damages as well.
Don't. What the fuck? Did they do this on purpose? Then do not associate with them again, they're a psychopath. If it was an accident, and their apology is half assed, then they're not really sorry. Not a sociopath, but a jerk.
Rage bait
I heard lead poisoning can help poisoners not relapse.
With a baseball bat
(On a serious note: don’t go bashing your neighbors, even if they aren’t human)
I wouldn’t.
If they did it deliberately and I could prove it, I'd rent a billboard across the street from where they worked
With a call to the police to report cruelty to animals?
Who said you have to?
I need more context.
What do you mean by bad faith apology. Be specific. Also how did they poison the dog?
I would not.
Most apologies are lies anyway.
We're gonna need the backstory on this.
Sue the fuck out of them.
I can forgive the dead.
Excuse me what the fuck
I came to Lemmy for shitposts
No, there's no forgiveness, what the actual fuck. How does someone murder a dog for no reason? I'd probably report the person for animal cruelty
Jesus fucking Christ who does this?
I think it depends on the context. Was the poisoning accidentally, unintentional because of not realize a dog can’t have that item, or left poison out for something else and the dog somehow got into it? Context is important.
My dog is better than all humans. There'd be no forgiveness. Only murder.
Just because the apologised doesn't mean you have to forgive them.
I’d “forgive” them after using their apology against them in court, and pressing both civil and criminal charges. (I know I’m dreaming here, but were they stupid enough to give you a written note?) Even then, I’d only “forgive” them for my own benefit - holding on to anger can do psychological damage, and revenge is often impractical.
Also, I’d remember that “forgiving” and “forgetting” are two very different things.
Lastly, I’d copy the tone, wording, and overall style of their “apology” as closely as possible when “forgiving” them. Basically, I’d say FUCK YOU in the most diplomatic way possible.
Well.. It depends.
Was it truly deliberate, as in "I want to poison this dog, so that it dies"? If yes, then there is hard to forgive, maybe not possible. The only way would be if they reported themself to the police and offered a sincere apology, and then I would not let them near my dog as long as it lives. But could maybe forgive in time if they did all that.
Deliberate is also not black and white. Were they negligent? As in knew that dogs can't really have onions, but did fed them food with just a little bit of onion in it, thinking it would be fine? Negligence can be forgiven, but only with a sincere apology.
I would forgive them if it was not deliberate at all. Even with a pretty bad apology.
If this person is important in your life, or are closely related, I would explain to them that the apology did not feel sincere, and that you consider it hard to forgive. Ask that they try again.
Also, do forgive them for your own sake, no reason to be angry in the long term, but you don't have to trust them. Edit: you don't have to tell them that you forgive them.
If it was a child that did this everything is very different. The answer assumed a person 18-20+
That's my take.
It would be easier to do if they came down with a mystery illness.
I support this mystery.
By the wording it seems like some kind of accidental poisoning, and that the dog didn't died.
So if you overreacted to someone's mistake you mey actually be the one needing to apologize.
If you mean they deliberately killed your dog, I probably wouldn't forgive that.
I wouldn't
No forgiveness, I would feel obligated to destroy that person and piss on their grave. Forgiveness is earned, you don't owe it to anyone.
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