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[-] 96VXb9ktTjFnRi@feddit.nl 13 points 2 days ago

I think we shouldn't underestimate human empathy. The problem is just that we build structures to avoid it. Rich people choose to not see poor people too much or they would feel empathy and be inclined to help them. If the poor are far away, merely an abstraction that is said to exist, then their existence is not felt strongly enough to trigger an empathy response. Surely there are exceptions to some degree, but I think humans are very empathetic and that's one of our great powers.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

I wonder about this in animals all the time. Like, many animals seem to really enjoy being loved on and getting scritches, have a relationship with their owner or caregiver, are happy to see them and snuggle up… but in the wild they might be mostly solitary, only interacting with their own kind for mating and maybe raising young. Yet they’re often very different from the (eat sleep reproduce survive) basic wild animal when given the opportunity. They have personalities, happiness, etc.

[-] stiephelando@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 days ago

It's called domestication. In the Soviet Union a scientist domesticated foxes by selecting for "niceness". It only took a couple of generations for the typical domestication signs to appear: longer childhood, friendlier face, smartness etc

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago

They’re talking about fully wild animals. Grab a baby squirrel, and it will enjoy human company in no time. Same with raccoons, ravens, mountain lions, etc.

You’d be hard pressed to find an animal that doesn’t take to human companionship when given a real chance. And it has nothing to do with breeding.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Rats, in specific, do what those studying them have described as laugh when being petted/tickled. It's ultrasonic, so we can't hear it, but other rats can hear it when a rat is enjoying themselves.

https://www.science.org/content/article/tickled-rats-reveal-brain-structure-controls-laughter

[-] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

I'll take the risk of sounding like Willard here, but rats make delightfully playful and affectionate pets.

It sounds counter intuitive but once your rats(need to have at least two) bond to you they treat you like a giant one of them. They'll groom you for hours, and you can play chase with them with your hands like you would with a kitten(without the scratches!) They're like a cat and dog together in a much smaller animal. One of mine played fetch.

I just wish they lived longer and weren't so prone to cancer. Maybe one day science can fix that.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Only 4 or 5 years, right? I don't think I could handle loving a pet who's lifespan was that short. But I do know people who have pet rats and they really love them. Doesn't really surprise me, guinea pigs are similar. And you need to have at least two of them as well.

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[-] Frostbeard@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

Couldn't this be explained by the "tit-for-tat" hypothesis? That selfless behaviour is learned in communal animals, and that its implied it will be you who need help next time?

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

There is a bat species that I think feeds on blood, and they share the food they managed to get in a night, if a bat refuses to share one night then the next time they get left out of the sharing.

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago
[-] SkyJuice@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah to a degree, maybe it was some kinda low sugar chocolate or something

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[-] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 18 points 3 days ago

Which is why rats never built empires and conquered the world

[-] bstix@feddit.dk 14 points 3 days ago

In many cities, there are more rats than human. And yet, who feeds who?

[-] stinky@redlemmy.com 10 points 3 days ago

or destroyed it

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[-] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

Empathy over natural selection ftw.

[-] angrystego@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Empathy was created by natural selection - of groups, not individuals, of course.

[-] smayonak@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Fear and stress shut down empathy. But narcissists feel constant fear and stress. And we've made a hellworld that rewards narcissism

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[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Why do you say the rats are better than us? Humans can be observed doing the same in similar circumstances.

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

~~Some~~ Most humans. The notable (but not exclusive) exceptions being people who manage to become ultra-wealthy.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

On the other hand, they willingly live in sewers and their sense of smell is stronger than ours.

[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

But good or bad is still subjective.

E: maybe a little broad. I meant pleasant smells. In the case of rats probably dictated by biology.

You'd probably willingly live next to a bakery.

[-] SpaceXplorer_8042@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

Well, everyone's got their kinks.

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