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This is not a joke question. I am being 100% sincere when I suggest the similarity between the words might be seen as intentional by some very conservative minds.

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[-] foggy@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

So, in the future, when you're wondering "where a word comes from," there's a good word to know: Etymology. Etymology is the study of words histories.

From the Wikipedia article on "Rapping", there is a section on etymology and usage:

The English verb rap has various meanings; these include "to strike, especially with a quick, smart, or light blow",[17] as well "to utter sharply or vigorously: to rap out a command".[17] The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary gives a date of 1541 for the first recorded use of the word with the meaning "to utter (esp. an oath) sharply, vigorously, or suddenly".[18] Wentworth and Flexner's Dictionary of American Slang gives the meaning "to speak to, recognize, or acknowledge acquaintance with someone", dated 1932,[19] and a later meaning of "to converse, esp. in an open and frank manner".[20] It is these meanings from which the musical form of rapping derives, and this definition may be from a shortening of repartee.[21] A rapper refers to a performer who "raps". By the late 1960s, when Hubert G. Brown changed his name to H. Rap Brown, rap was a slang term referring to an oration or speech, such as was common among the "hip" crowd in the protest movements, but it did not come to be associated with a musical style for another decade.[22]

Rap was used to describe talking on records as early as 1970 on Isaac Hayes' album ...To Be Continued with the track name "Monologue: Ike's Rap I".[23] Hayes' "husky-voiced sexy spoken 'raps' became key components in his signature sound".[24] Del the Funky Homosapien similarly states that rap was used to refer to talking in a stylistic manner in the early 1970s: "I was born in '72 ... back then what rapping meant, basically, was you trying to convey something—you're trying to convince somebody. That's what rapping is, it's in the way you talk."[25]

Sometimes said to be an acronym for 'rhythm and poetry', this is not the origin of the word.[26]

Seizing the opportunity to mention one of the best websites ever: The Online Etymological Dictionary. Here are their entries on "rap".

[-] Vupperware@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Pontification aside, he’s really just wondering if some Uber-conservatives disregard the etymology and jump to the conclusion stated in his post.

[-] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You misspelled racist.

[-] moobythegoldensock@geddit.social 12 points 1 year ago

No, nobody thinks this.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Well, I know and have known some of the dumbest, worst educated people in existence (seriously, just in my family I have two relatives that were drop outs. In the sixth grade. And they're dumber than homemade dammit on top of that) and I've never heard anyone make this kind of statement.

So, while it isn't impossible someone has, I doubt it's in the double digits

[-] sofa-sogood@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

@FizzlePopBerryTwist, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[-] cloudless@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

When your mind is dirty, everything looks dirty to you.

[-] frankPodmore@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

Got to say, fellas, there's an issue with reading comprehension going on here, and it's not with OP. Question very clearly asks if 'some people' think X. It doesn't say, 'I think that X' or 'Do you agree that X?', which is how people are taking it.

Having said that: no, I don't think anyone thinks that.

[-] AmidFuror@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's likely that someone thinks it. If OP can think up that rationale and reject it, someone with less critical thinking can think it up and embrace it.

It's not particularly useful to know if some people believe a ridiculous thing, because they almost certainly do. It's more useful to know how widespread the thinking is and how it may influence culture. What are the consequences of this line of thought and is anyone trying to exploit it for political gain?

Without some poll or study, we can each go by personal experience. I'd wager this isn't as commonplace as other illegitimate reasons to not like rap, include just general racism.

[-] CombatWombatEsq@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's common enough that this dude made this song about it, idk 🤷

https://youtu.be/NARxgXEdlzs

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