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A little short for a starship, isn't he?

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[-] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 109 points 11 months ago

Sci-fi has issue with scale a lot of the time. Star Trek is no exception. Population numbers and scale of ships is often really bad.

[-] teft@startrek.website 66 points 11 months ago

Look at Deep Space 9 and literally anytime a starship is near it. The scale goes way out of whack.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 35 points 11 months ago

In the DS9 title credits you can see engineers repairing the outside of one of the pylons on a spacewalk and the scale feels really wrong

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

It's hard for people living on a planet to comprehend how huge space is.

[-] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 57 points 11 months ago

Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.

[-] Stampela@startrek.website 11 points 11 months ago

Ever played Eve Online? The “Noob ship” you get free when yours goes boom is bigger than a fighter jet, the battleships (fairly big) are about 500 meters and the capital monstrosity stuff gets to a plainly overkill 17 kilometers. And in all of this? It’s hard to figure out the small ships actually need a crew and aren’t just the pilot inside

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[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 83 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Have you seen container ships? They're perspective-bendingly massive. 400m is a quarter of a mile.

[-] Hotdogman@lemmy.world 51 points 11 months ago

That's like, half of a half mile.

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[-] PlasmaDistortion@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago

Thanks because this image still didn’t help. Most people don’t see container ships very often.

[-] Album@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 months ago

Yeah but youre also saying that the bridge of the enterprise was about the size of a container, which i am not sure is accurate.

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[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 10 points 11 months ago
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[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 44 points 11 months ago

Going by the caption, it's the container ship they had a hard time visualizing. Seems weird because I've seen container ships IRL but never a starship.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

I've never seen either. I'll have to convert this to "cruise ship"

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 36 points 11 months ago

I used to work at a port and would see those ships out at sea. They look like they are just offshore.

Then you see the fishing boats go out and all but disappear against the massive backdrop. You realize they're many many miles out.

[-] Drunemeton@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago
[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 14 points 11 months ago

TV adds 20 pounds.

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Yeah I'm not seeing how there's several dozen people moving, working, and living in that.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

A container ship's crew is 20-30 people, and that whole thing is mostly containers. I bet they'd fit.

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[-] teft@startrek.website 19 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They sleep in hallways....

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[-] teft@startrek.website 22 points 11 months ago

I don’t know what the hell they’re doing with all that space

After watching discovery I assume it's all turbolift shafts.

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[-] iyaerP@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago

AS much as I enjoy some aspects of Lower Decks, that was one of the most phenomenally stupid decisions that they could possibly have made.

The crew sizes for Federation starships are TINY compared to the actual size of the ships. SNW giving every crew member their own studio apartment is something that reflects the ludicrous amount of empty space that a Federation starship has availalbe to it.

If you ever look at the deck plans, there's just a crazy amount of space that's unused.

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[-] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

In Strange New Worlds everyone above Ensign apparently has their own studio apartment.

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[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago

Honestly thought it was way bigger than this.

[-] SeaJ@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago

Container ships are fucking massive. The Enterprise only held like 1000 people which is only a small portion of a basketball arena.

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[-] Wilzax@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Per kilogram-meter of cargo transported, container ships actually have some of the lowest emissions of any form of transportation!*

Other than electric vehicles that were charged by zero-emission sources of electricity

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

I remember many years ago seeing a size comparison between an aircraft carrier and the TOS Enterprise. The aircraft carrier was bigger. I didn't even know how to process that because of how big the Enterprise seemed to me.

[-] Ryumast3r@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

305m is 1000 feet. The USS ENTERPRISE was 342m or 1,123 feet.

A modern day FORD class carrier is 1092 ft or 333m.

For personnel comparison, ENTERPRISE held ~5000 people and a FORD class has between 4-5000 people.

The fact that NCC-1701 only had like 1000 people is...a big difference.

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[-] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 16 points 11 months ago

This made me realise you could probably fit an entire small town including all it's drama on a container ship.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 13 points 11 months ago
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[-] livedeified@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

the Enterprise "D" (632.5m long) held 1000 people IIRC. crazy!

[-] aeronmelon@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago

Even crazier, the Galaxy-class has the capacity to evacuate an additional 10,000+ humanoids.

When you watch videos like this, you realize that 1,000 is not that much against the actual size of the ship. The entire crew can comfortably gather in the main shuttlebay at the same time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwx5uB0pyhQ

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[-] AndyLikesCandy@reddthat.com 13 points 11 months ago

I know we only ever see a handful of rooms, that's fine, but with over 100 crew they always all have personal quarters that are probably the square footage of 3/4'ish containers.

150m in diameter is one way to think about it. But then it's also 8 containers long, or 25 containers circumference at the largest point down to no more than a few in circumference at the bridge.

You know, that seems tiny, it's like there's no volume left for the hardware that needs to be between every room and all over the hull

[-] Nurgle@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

More context, Empire State Building is 380m without the spire, 443m with spire and antenna.

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