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Call me crazy, but I don't want a PC run by a phone operating system.
You're crazy.
:(
Why though? Immutable Operating Systems are great for regular usage. Android is restricted and closed up, compared to Linux or Windows. But its damn secure.
Having the app support, on this ecosystem where every app always is in its container, would be huge.
But I prefer Fedora Atomic, its more or less the same, but actually free, with wide app support and no Google.
Because I do all kinds of things with my OS that they probably didn't consider when they were locking things down. I enjoy the freedom and flexibility of a desktop OS while I'm on a desktop. Even Mac OS drives me up the walls sometimes.
Edit: phone changed Max to Max.
Yes of course, me neither. Android sucks. Its locked down and all.
But what is the typical "laptop user"?
- uses windows as it was preinstalled
- uses Edge or Chrome as its preinstalled, Bundleware or they get Ads for it
- has some weird Adobe stuff like Reader. Apps autostart in the background and phone home as they wish to "check licenses" and whatever
- has Viruses and doesnt care
Viruses basically dont exist on Android
Well yeah... We are not saying is for everyone. Like it's nice for less technical people were it's more difficult for them to fuck it up or get confused with technical stuff and they do not need anything advanced or sometime that flexible, just a couple of apps an a browser.
Yeah it would probably be great for someone like my mother. She's an expert at breaking her operating system and anything to lock her system down would be helpful. I'm sure there are millions of people who never do much more than read emails, browse the web, and maybe do some spreadsheet work, and it would be great for them too. For me, I like control. I use Arch on my laptop and Pop on my gaming computer so that I'm not constrained by whatever Microsoft or Apple are currently trying to simplify with their OS.
Edit: I also stopped using Windows because it's becoming pretty similar to spyware and adware these days, and every time you turn all that stuff off, they turn it back on with the next update. I reached my wits end about 3-4 years ago and dumped Windows completely for everything except Fusion 360.
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somewhere tim cook is crying
You mean Tim Apple?
They're not saying it will. My gaming laptop is already running the same Linux kernel as Android phones so the kernel is great. Then it's down to the GUI and that might be a good fit for hospitality/healthcare/retail as the article says where some devices are already run in more or less of a Kiosk style with specific purpose. Besides phones are just small PCs anyway, it's all about the use-case.
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Man, that title sure is clickbaity
Double biggest. Fail. Shoulda been tighter, that's just lazy. Everything after the emdash is pointless anyways, Google cut the title much earlier. Another fail.
It's clickbait, you got that right, but it's super sloppy.
Esper Foundation is based on Android 11 and has customizable branding, peripheral compatibility, quarterly security patches, and three years of support.
3 years worth of support on an OS that's already 3 years outdated. Meanwhile my PC from 2010 running Windows 10 still gets updates and can easily be updated/serviced with off the shelf parts to keep it going. I guess I'll pass on this one.
from all the shit that windows do, long term support was always a selling factor in there
And don't forget that Google is pushing to restrict Android just like iOS where if you unlock the bootloader and root, SafetyNet fails and apps stop working, while in windows having admin accounts is normal.
I tried to read deep into this awhile back and why we don't see many Android tablets. I think even Google (Alphabet) doesn't like Android that much and is trying to get away from it. And instead use ChromeOS for laptops, tablets, and dual use devices.
What's looking better all the time is just Linux. Really they should just put out a Linux laptop.
why we don't see many Android tablets
My personal guess is that the reason is twofold:
- The dominance of iPad
- The (unfortunately not unearned) association of Android tablets with poor quality. There are a lot of knockoffs out there.
I think even Google (Alphabet) doesn't like Android that much and is trying to get away from it.
In the large format world, maybe. But they're putting a lot of development work into the Pixel line, and it's finally paying off. I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see a resurrection of the Pixel C form factor someday.
I think a large part of it is that they have little control over Android. Manufacturers put all their stuff and overlay on it. Imo it doesn't work well and would be even worse with dual use and laptops. They have control of ChromeOS and make demands of anyone that wants to use it. I think they made a big mistake getting rid of Moto. They could have at least made their own devices free of other stuff.
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I'm all for this if it's true, but this sounds like another gimmick announcement by a declining PC vendor.
Lenovo is the biggest PC vendor in the world, also Motorola by Lenovo is still doing pretty well, I wouldn't call them declining by any means.
Lenovo? The spying hardware company? No thanks.
Man, I thought you had them confused with some other company, then I looked them up on Wikipedia. That's some shady stuff they've been up to.
Wait what, weren't the thinkpads supposed to go hand and hand with Linux, what do you mean?
The older Thinkpads do. The newer ones are just money-grabbing chinesium.
Iirc, the business line (ThinkPads) were not affected by these, but who knows.
But yes, my oldest laptop is a ThinkPad and I love it very dearly!
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I don't think that will plan pan out. ChromeOS is even getting gpu support and can run games via proton
It's also hard to overstate the advantage ChromeOS has that we can't even see yet. Chromebooks absolutely dominate the K12 educational world, and students are graduating every year and going into jobs where they're more familiar with ChromeOS than anything else. If enterprise customers switch in large scale to anything, it'll be to ChromeOS.
This is very true. ChromeOS will likely win out in the long term. But in the short term, it's good for Google to have competition to goad them into improving and innovating.
At the same time though, I'm not sure whether Lenovo's solution targets the same audience.
“The Esper solution is an android based software, it is specifically formulated for device management on an android OS running on an x86 platforms. This creates a unique opportunity for Lenovo to address this market. Specific market segments we are targeting include retail and hospitality, as well as the digital signage appliances for these industries. These segments include an abundance of Android based deployments that require a level of customization.”
I don't think ChromeOS allows really any customization of its UI, does it? I haven't used it in any significant capacity in a decade... (I wrote the original Chromebook Ninja call center scripts back when it was literally just a web browser on a laptop lol.)
Absolutely competition is a great thing.
And you're right, ChromeOS is pretty uncustomizable. I think they might have dark mode now.
I'd argue that ChromeOS only succeeds at funneling kids into Google's browser products, not keeping them in ChromeOS. Because you can get basically the same experience on any PC, whether it's running Windows, MacOS, or Linux.
Once kids grow up and get a job, they run into the limitations of ChromeOS pretty fast and swap to something with a real OS. Unless they're at a company that exclusively uses browser-based tools without any desktop apps or plugins, which is pretty rare IMO.
Unless they're at a company that exclusively uses browser-based tools
It doesn't necessarily need to be an entire company. It can easily just be a division or a department. Sure, you can't easily migrate engineering or design roles to a browser-based system; but Sales, Marketing (except design), Writing, Management, Strategic Planning, HR, Finance, Accounting, and Administration are just some departments that can be entirely or nearly entirely cloud-native (and in many cases already are).
I'd argue that ChromeOS only succeeds at funneling kids into Google's browser products, not keeping them in ChromeOS.
But when management discovers that they can reduce IT hardware costs by 50% or more by switching to a platform that their younger employees already know, they'll probably start doing it.
The world is heading back in the direction of thin clients, honestly. But in this new thin client world, the browser will be the only thing on the bare metal.
What you're proposing is definitely possible, but I don't see it happening any time soon. Partially because people just aren't interested in going there, and partly because Chromebook hardware tends to suck. Also, Chrome is bloated as hell on its own, you need at least 16GB of RAM to open up more than a handful of tabs 😆.
Plus, Chromebooks have ALREADY been around long enough for this to happen. The first Chromebook was sold in 2011! And in the 12 years since, Chromebooks have dominated the middle school market, of course. But they've managed to take approximately 0% of the market in the professional space. Even college kids don't use Chromebooks, it's all Macs and PCs.
At this moment, Chromebooks are for middle school kids, and also sometimes for casual home users. Not saying they can never be anything else, but that's the current reality.
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The only problem with chromeos is its file manager that is not very user friendly. Any linux file manager ported to chromeos would be welcomed
I've heard those claims before...
Specific market segments we are targeting include retail and hospitality, as well as the digital signage appliances for these industries.
It doesn't look like they are going to release it for general consumers at all, I think they specifically designed it to meet a very niche need to control apps for interactive menus and billboards on various commercial displays without having these apps being controlled by a tablet in the backend.
Isn't this just an android tablet with a keyboard and mouse?
Anything that makes operating systems more open and free I'm all for.
Unfortunately Google Play services exist, but still.
Unlikely
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