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[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 307 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

If you're still using Chrome, do yourself a favour and install Firefox.

[–] nahostdeutschland@feddit.org 226 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Let's be honest: Everything that might be "worse" or "annoying" in Firefox for someone is not relevant in comparison to "no working adblocker available". A browser without adblock is unusable

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 58 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

True, but if an adblocker no longer works on a specific browser, change your browser! I started using Netscape back in '94, and lost count on how many browsers I've tested and used in the past... Holy shit, 30+ years!!

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 31 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

30+ years!

.....fuck off, '94 wasn't 30.... counts on fingers several times

.....Shit.....

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I know... Jurassic Park is 33 years this year. It would be like watching a movie from the 60' when it was released.

We're old, friend.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 31 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

In the past 10 years it's pretty much just been Firefox, Safari, Explorer/Edge, and Chrome. 99% of browsers are just skinned Chrome. Even Edge now. Opera's engine died in 2013.

[–] P1nkman@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

99% if browsers are just skinned Chrome.

Yup. Hence, the reason I originally suggested to use Firefox, only because it's not built on Chromium.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 68 points 3 weeks ago

Meanwhile ublock origin works fine in Fennec/Firefox Android.

[–] sma3in@lemmy.world 55 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

LibreWolf if you want security, privacy and freedom

https://librewolf.net/

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 14 points 3 weeks ago

Fennec on Android

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 50 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Chrome? A browser that's easily replaceable with any other browser? Huh... Didn't see that one coming.

/S

[–] Dicska@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm saying this as a 2 year convert Firefox user: mostly easily replaceable. Sure, I can browse pretty much every page that I can on chrome. However, a few sites don't work the same way - sometimes because of the site's conscious decision, sometimes because of Firefox.

Take Facebook, for example. On desktop, I can't make voice calls anymore from the desktop site. For a while it was possible with non encrypted chats, but now pretty much all of them are encrypted, and FF is not compatible with that. I also can't watch h265 videos in my chats anymore. I'm still sticking with FF, but I just can't easily say that FF is just as good for everything (I'm still not going back to chrome).

[–] ButtDrugs@lemm.ee 16 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Yeah I'm a 20-some year FF user and when it started you had to have IE as a backup because not everything was compatible. In the late 2000s through late 2010s everything worked everywhere, then with chromes dominance places have stopped testing or supporting certain things in FF and it feels like history is repeating itself. Unfortunately you need a chromium-based backup realistically for certain sites, but 99.5% of things work totally fine in FF.

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[–] PumpkinEscobar@lemmy.world 49 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)
[–] nnullzz@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for this!! I became spoiled with Arc’s UI, but it’s a Chrome based browser. This looks like it’s the same experience without the bs.

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[–] RustyShackleford@literature.cafe 36 points 3 weeks ago

It's a good thing I stayed loyal to Firefox. Mainly due to my dislike of change lol, but I was forced to use Chrome and it felt ominous with its owner being Google.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I switched to Firefox the morning they disabled uBlock Origin.

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago

I never left Firefox. It's a fantastic browser.

[–] hector@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago

The problem with Web Standards is that they're so complete, broad and complex that it's very hard as an independent team to get started writing a browser.

You'd have so little daily active users compared to the titans products (Chromium, Gecko, WebKit) that even if you made something super good, it would still be hard to guarantee website compatibility without faking the user-agents.

There's also a lot of complexity involved in writing a sandbox for every instance of a website (tabs or iframe) and sharing information between multiple process. I don't know how they do it in Chrome, but in Firefox they have a whole specification language for that which compiles to C++.

You also have to recreate the DevTools and other tooling for developers to adopt your browser and for you to debug any issues with your DOM renderer...

I love how much the web has to offer nowadays with technologies like WebRTC, WebSocket, Blobs, GamePad API, modern CSS3 but it has also the effect of locking us down into a tiny ecosystem.

I really their should be legislation on what companies can do with their browser because they've become such an important piece of the internet so they should serve public good.

I don't know how to make it happen and I don't even know if it's a good idea when you consider the governance issues it would bring for open-source project.

I'm really passionate about this technology !

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Unfortunately, there are only 3 companies developing browsers right now: Google, Apple and Mozilla.

Apple's browsers are only available on Apple platforms. In fact, if you're on iOS you have no choice, you have to use Safari. Even browsers labelled as "Chrome" or "Firefox" are actually Safari under the hood on iOS. But, on any non Apple platform, you can't use Safari.

Google is an ad company, so they don't want to allow ad blockers on their browser. So, it's a matter of time before every kind of ad blocking is disabled for Chrome users.

Firefox is almost entirely funded by Google, so there's a limit as to what they can do without the funding getting cut off. They seem to be trying to find a way forward without Google, but the result, if anything is as bad as Google if not worse:

"investing in privacy-respecting advertising to grow new revenue in the near term; developing trustworthy, open source AI to ensure technical and product relevance in the mid term;"

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-leadership-growth-planning-updates/

All these other browser people like are basically reskinned versions of Chrome or Firefox. They have a handful of people working on them. To actually develop a modern browser you need a big team. A modern browser basically has to be an OS capable of running everything from a 3d game engine, to a word processor, to a full featured debugger.

It looks like it's only a matter of time before there will be 0 browsers capable of blocking ads, because the only two companies that make multi-platform browsers depend on ads for their revenue, and both of them will have enormous expenses because they're obsessed with stupid projects like AI.

[–] miridius@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Apple has a conflict of interest too: they need to keep safari gimped so that users have to install apps instead of using PWAs, so that Apple can keep getting 30% of the app sales.

As a result, Safari is terrible and very far behind in standards. It's the new internet explorer.

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[–] TIN@feddit.uk 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I still find it interesting that the Vanadium browser in Grapheneos is Chromium based, with no possibility of extensions. I know this is for security reasons but it feels odd to still use chrome on my phone and Firefox everywhere else.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I just use a Firefox derivative there as well, because of Ublock. Tried Vanadium but the adblocking was just not good.

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[–] kate@lemmy.uhhoh.com 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
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