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Attorney, journalist, and Elon Musk biographer Seth Abramson eviscerated both Elon Musk and his “fanboys” who have attempted to use the billionaire’s IQ as an indication of his intellectual prowess in a series of messages shared on X Thursday evening and into Friday.

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[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 173 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Seth Abramson eviscerated both Elon Musk and his “fanboys” who have attempted to use the billionaire’s IQ as an indication of his intellectual prowess

I guarantee his IQ is made up too. Not that an IQ test actually means shit.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 68 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

IQ tests are combo test of how white and how autistic are you. All tests are biased, and what do you bet when he got his super special smart boy IQ label he was in South Africa and the test administrator was another white dude.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 47 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Wouldn't surprise me if the person administering the test was also paid under the table by Musk Snr to make sure Elon's result looked better than it actually was.

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[–] theUwUhugger@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (42 children)

IQ tests are not an objective measurement of intelligence! It kinda measures pattern recognition and some other skill! Its a scam to sell preparatory classes for itself!

40-50-ish years ago they quite popular! You were required to take one for uni admissions, for appliying to work… Well before we found out its bs!

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago (16 children)

It's a relative measure of performance for narrow and specific set of tasks. It's not BS, that's like saying the 100m dash is BS. It's just that people have wildly overstated the general implications of the measure.

[–] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 18 points 3 weeks ago

That’s a useful comparison. I like it. There are plenty of popular anecdotes of the world’s best athlete in a particular sport attempting another and being terribly mediocre, so it probably resonates with the average person better than my usual many-types-of-intelligence argument.

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[–] HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 124 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I don't remember the quote exactly but.

"It's just so dumb" "So dumb it's genius" "No it's just dumb"

perfectly encapsulates musk.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 64 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

From glass onion lol. Great movie, btw.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 31 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Janelle Monae crushes it in her role. I mean absolutely crushes it. In it she is acting in the role of a character acting in a role, which is actually really hard to do in a really satisfying way, and she absolutely pulls it off. What's more is that she lets the veil slip just enough, as an actress, for the character playing the role to be believable as an actress. Like her music and visual artistry as an R&B performer is incredible, but there's still a part of me that feels like the world lost something from her not going into acting. But if she had, she'd probably have put out an album that would make me lament she hadn't focused on R&B.

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[–] RandAlThor@lemmy.ca 117 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

This is such a burn! "Abramson noted, “It is also a particularly American disease to confuse wealth with intelligence and corporations with those who own them."

[–] straightjorkin@lemmy.world 43 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

For many evangelicals, they also associate wealth with divine blessing.

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[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 103 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I feel like Musk was a symptom of Americans really wanting a genius billionaire to be a real thing as it reinforces this American dream everyone's dreaming about.

Reading the CPAC transcript clearly shows that he's currently below average intelligence if anything.

[–] faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 27 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Well yeah, that's the American Dream right? That if you're smart and work hard, you'll be rich?

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah and you need to be asleep to believe it

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[–] JaymesRS@literature.cafe 23 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

My feelings are that Steve Jobs was the quintessential cultural personality CEO and his early death sent a lot of people desperately looking for the next one, who ended up being Elon.

The difference was that Jobs actually had taste and a good vision for the future. He could build a smart team and let them drive progress then motivate to go further without making things up like Elon. So the media papered over Elon's wild confabulation, instead of showing him in a true light.

[–] halowpeano@lemmy.world 53 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

Most of that's false though. He couldn't build a good smart team, Wozniak could. He was very good at screwing others out of ownership in the company they helped build though. He was also very good at one thing, envisioning a computer in every home, and a computer in every pocket. That was his one true talent.

But he was not "smart". He died to cancer detected early enough to heal with modern medicine, but chose quack treatments instead. There really isn't any such thing as general intelligence. Everyone's got very specialized knowledge in some topic, and are idiots in everything else.

[–] merari42@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Na, that is just historically inaccurate. The original Macintosh team collected their stories/memoires at folklore.org, which give you a pretty good overview of his talents. He was really mercurial and Woz was the better engineer, but played a really important role in the vision/design of computers as we know them today. In the original Mac team others did the engineering and Jobs never claimed to be and engineering type of person, but he had a good feel on the importance of design, clear visual metaphors and good interaction design and pushed the team relentlessly into that direction.

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[–] yarr@feddit.nl 41 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Time has been kind to Mr. Jobs. Read about his early years at Apple... he was famous for skewering anyone that disagreed with him. He also had lovely habits like parking his sports car in handicapped spots so he didn't have to walk as far. You can't disagree with his talent for running a company that did an awful lot of innovation, but he wasn't a nice guy. He named one of his first products, the Lisa after his daughter, but didn't treat the actual daughter that well.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

For a "smart" person, his death was quite possibly a very unintelligent way to go. He basically decided to give all kinds of "holistic" crap a chance to treat his cancer and avoided medical intervention for almost a year. If he had gone with the medical path from the onset, he might still be alive today.

But he did have his moments. Like how he basically told the music industry to cut out the DRM, because it just made the ecosystem impossible. Or one time when someone was picking at him over abandoning OpenDoc in favor of Java (Java didn't work out either, but his response was on point, without being dismissive of the person).

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[–] Thteven@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They wanted Iron Man and got Justin Fuckin Hammer.

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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 92 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

And the Understatement of the Year award goes to…

Seriously, when I first heard of this guy, I thought he must be smart. Then he started talking about things in my career field, and thought wow, that’s a stupid thing to say. The more he talked, the more I realised he’s a moron about nearly everything. Now I’m not convinced he can actually get dressed unassisted.

[–] telllos@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He definitely dresses himself !

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[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 92 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Didn't one of Trump's professors call him one of the dumbest students he ever had?

In that light, these two are perfect for each other.

[–] Artyom@lemm.ee 29 points 3 weeks ago

I've met a couple people who've met Trump, and let's just say "He's the dumbest person I've ever met" is the default opinion of him.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 60 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)
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[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 49 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Elonis a highly productive con man. He fooled me when I bought the FSD option on my Tesla in 2019 for $8k. When I sold it, the market only was willing to pay $1500.

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[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 37 points 3 weeks ago

Man this book will probably be banned before it comes out

[–] Substance_P@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] mememuseum@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Camacho would be a much better president

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[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 35 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

yes. and it doesn't matter. donald trump is a moron, but he's evil, and has failed upward to be president of the united states twice, first time a million americans died due to a purposefully inept covid response, this second time, he's going to beat that number by ordinates. everyone so fixated on how smart or accomplished these nazis are, it does not matter. This is a way for everyone to feel better that they're smarter, or know sooooo many people that are smarter. If we were smarter, they wouldn't keep fucking beating, and killing us. IQ means nothing, it's what you can leverage with what you have individually or within or at the forefront of a group that does. And these Nazi fucks know how to do that.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yes, they have a particular narrow cleverness about how to abuse people and systems for their own gain. Since fascists only care about power, pointing out that they are dumb, hypocritical or inconsistent doesn't achieve anything. All they see is that you're keeping yourself busy talking while they load their guns and prepare the camps. The only way to fight fascism is to actually fight it.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago

Leon came from Apartheid driven wealth, which paid for his education, and learned how to suck the US taxpayers dry while firing people left and right. Fuck him and DOGE. What about his brother Kimball who hides behind the curtains?

[–] the_q@lemm.ee 24 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Imagine being as stupid as this clown is and his vice president and still... STILL somehow being smarter than the average voter. The bar is on the ground, folks.

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[–] PrincessLeiasCat@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

While I agree with the premise of the book, everyone who has met/worked with/knows Seth Abramson all day what a piece of shit grifter hack he is, so I don’t know how much confidence I have in the book overall.

I do not doubt that evidence to support this assertion exists, but Abramson is always chasing the next big thing and bitches about how no one likes him on bsky like an angsty teenager. He’s just cringe.

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[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Ahh, i loved reading this. like blam on a sunburn. cold water on a hot day.

I think i discovered i have a kink for people shit-talking about tech CEOs.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Did he even get a real degree?

I'm not convinced he even knows how to code, if we are being honest.

[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 34 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

People who know how to code are in agreement that he has no clue.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Elon doesn't think the government uses SQL. He's dumb as fucking rocks.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

I know how to code and during my career, I've worked with people that could only barely do it, mostly relied on others to carry their weight, and often would fail upwards into management track stuff, usually done as a defensive strategy to get them away from doing damage hands-on. Of course, some of them effectively did MORE damage later by doing incredibly bone-headed things because some of them suffered from extreme arrogance and Dunning-Kruger.

Watching fElon in his takeover of Twitter and turning it into xitter, I was not paying too close of attention, but the level of chaos and performative bullshit seemed to be terrible at both a management/ownership level and on a technical one.

[–] yournamehere@lemm.ee 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

like kim dotcom. same guy to me.

[–] umbraroze@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

There's this website that listed bunch of stuff about Kim Dotcom and his ventures. (the list barely scratches the surface. But the important thing is that people thought he was hack decades ago.)

When I visited the site last time, I was like "ohhhhh, they've found a picture of Kim wearing an SS helmet. I really didn't know what else I was expecting."

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