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“The vaccination has stuff we don’t trust,” he said. “We don’t like the vaccinations, what they have these days. We heard too much, and we saw too much.”
The man's daughter died. I can't think of anything worse than that. But still "we don't trust the vaccine". How can you possibly break through when even a child dying isn't enough to convince them? This sucks so much.
A child dying is going to make them double down, honestly. At this point they will REALLY refuse to acknowledge that the kids death was 100% their fault since taking accountability is not something these people are willing to do
I almost wonder if it's the same mechanism as the sunk cost fallacy, where a losing situation is irrationally maintained because of how unpleasant we find loss.
Edit to add: def no disagreement about refusing accountability though, that's such a pattern with that kind of personality. And not to give them TOO much grace but frankly I'm not sure I myself would act defensibly or even sanely right after losing a child.
I think sunk cost fallacy and religious world views have a lot in common. Both are an investment in time, money, or attention—that could be felt as a total waste if the project or belief is abandoned. With religion it’s often worse because you also lose your community and possibly friends and family depending on how fundamental they are.
You need people whom they trust to start telling them the truth. It doesn't work if they don't trust the messenger
At this point, I don't know if even someone trusted would be able to change his mind. Admitting to being wrong about vaccines means admitting he basically killed their daughter. Horribly sad.
Even Trump was boo’d when he told his flock to take the Covid-19 vaccine.
They voted him back anyway! Couldn't that be a lesson to this dolt?
The sad thing is that this disgusting fuck isn't rotting in prison for murdering his own daughter through gross negligence.
That's the real reason why he'll always double down. That sort of realisation can fuck someone up and make them shut down to the idea of it completely.
My doctor has a point, but Diane, the flatearther also has a point.
At this point, it’s a rationalization, not a belief.
If he changed his mind and thought “maybe I should have gotten her the vaccine” then it means that he directly caused his daughter’s death. If he changes his mind later that maybe vaccines aren’t so bad, that means his stupid, selfish choice caused his daughter’s death.
I don’t know of many people that could handle that realization. So his mind just rejects it out of principle.
Well, denial is the first stage of grief. I wonder who the anger stage will be directed at.
I always wonder what else these people do/consume they know nothing about. Smoking? Drinking? Eating factory meat? Going to McDonald's? Aspirin? Do they check the label what's in aspirin? These are shitty excuses if you choose to belive some cunt on facebook instead of your doctor.
Systematic and even algorithmic spoon feeding of simplicity to a mind ready to travel the path of least resistance. In short, he is now a meat popsicle.
I truly believe they just don't want to have to go get a needle. They're working backwards from that premise.
It's because he can just make more kids, but distrust in vaccines must remain firm! Wonder if they'll use the dead daughter's name again, that's what my mom's family did when infants died of scarlet fever and diphtheria back in the day.
I don’t understand why so much death of innocent kids can then just be swept under the guise of some “god’s will” with these religions. In light of today’s advancements and studies their distrust of reality is what causes these events. To me they are monsters for not taking the steps necessary to protect their own community. I am all for people needing or wanting religion but the longer your religion clings to the past then be prepared for such events. Just a shame of all the other innocent lives that might be lost because of these actions as well.
I don’t understand why so much death of innocent kids can then just be swept under the guise of some “god’s will” with these religions
Because otherwise they'd have to grapple with the reality that their actions led to the death of a child. Blaming god when things go wrong both absolves them of any culpability and also invalidates the need to critically examine the behavior that caused the death in order to prevent future deaths from happening.
Same reason why the reaction to school shootings is "thoughts and prayers" instead of doing fucking anything.
Old joke, but always relevant
“A storm descends on a small town, and the downpour soon turns into a flood. As the waters rise, the local preacher kneels in prayer on the church porch, surrounded by water. By and by, one of the townsfolk comes up the street in a canoe.
"Better get in, Preacher. The waters are rising fast."
"No," says the preacher. "I have faith in the Lord. He will save me."
Still the waters rise. Now the preacher is up on the balcony, wringing his hands in supplication, when another guy zips up in a motorboat.
"Come on, Preacher. We need to get you out of here. The levee's gonna break any minute." Once again, the preacher is unmoved. "I shall remain. The Lord will see me through."
After a while the levee breaks, and the flood rushes over the church until only the steeple remains above water. The preacher is up there, clinging to the cross, when a helicopter descends out of the clouds, and a state trooper calls down to him through a megaphone.
"Grab the ladder, Preacher. This is your last chance."
Once again, the preacher insists the Lord will deliver him.
And, predictably, he drowns.
A pious man, the preacher goes to heaven. After a while he gets an interview with God, and he asks the Almighty, "Lord, I had unwavering faith in you. Why didn't you deliver me from that flood?"
God shakes his head. "What did you want from me? I sent you two boats and a helicopter."
I don’t understand why so much death of innocent kids can then just be swept under the guise of some “god’s will” with these religions.
Because otherwise, the death of the daughter would be HIS responsibility.
You're talking about a people whose greatest goal in this life is to die and go to a big party in the clouds. Instead of grieving the life she could have had, they're rejoicing that she's with the lord now. It was all a part of his plan.
We heard too much, and we saw too much
Yeah, that is what happened, sir. And you believed it all and your daughter died because of it.
The death of his daughter, Peter told me, was God’s will. God created measles. God allowed the disease to take his daughter’s life. “Everybody has to die,” he said.
The soul crushing sadness here is that his daughter didn't get a say.
She didn't have to die. Even if the shot made her autistic, she'd still be alive.
These people are in effect saying "I'd rather have a dead kid than an autistic kid."
I know 5 autistic, 2 way more autistic than the others, adults that never vaccinated until 25+.
Anyone that actually believes there is a connection between vaccines and autism is irredeemably dumb as fuck.
God also gave him a brain. Maybe he should try using it sometime.
there is no god and religion is a plague affecting the uneducated.
such a fucking stupid view... By definition every scenerio we are in is something god put us in... Living as a human is taking action to avoid death. Be it eating, taking shelter from the elements, drinking water. Why are microbes any different than say... mountain lions... If a fricking mountain lion threatens your kids, is the response going to be "well guns are man made, god put those mountain lions there for a reason". or are you going to get out there, and hunt that thing.
God creates a lot of things. God created ted Bundy, Charles Manson, and Eric raider. His argument almost could be taken that none of them deserve punishment. After all, what they did was "God's will".
Why don’t they acknowledge that God created the vaccines ?
It's all gods plan and the kid is now playing wiffleball with jesus.
I thought the whole point of Abraham dragging his son up to the mountain to be killed was to prove that this God would never ask you to sacrifice your child for him?
That was soet of his biggest selling point, if my history serves me right.
I remember the story from Sunday School, but in our church we were taught that the 'point' was to always obey God without question. Like, even if God's instructions seem insane, do it anyway, maybe He's just messing with you?
Poor kid didn't deserve to die because of their dumb cunt parents.
This father decided that his skydaddy was more important than his living child. I've very little sympathy for child murderers, even if this sounds like a big issue was the lack of good hospital care in Texas...which this parent likely voted for.
Fuck around and find out.
Where are the prosecutors?