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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 180 points 1 day ago (3 children)
[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Why are non-European countries even allowed to participate?

[–] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

All countries associated with the European Broacast Union can participate.

Brazil, Peru, Japan, India, and even China and the US could participate too.

Russia and Lybia used to be part of the EBU but they were suspended. They know what they did.

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Eurovision is organised by the European Broadcasting Union, which includes basically all countries in the European Broadcasting Area (basically Europe + all of the Mediterranean). Those include Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Israel, Armenia, etc. They have always been allowed to participate. Australia is an outlier. They just got a special invitation.

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[–] Tagger@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are we going to be called anti-Semitic?

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[–] AbnormalHumanBeing@lemmy.abnormalbeings.space 93 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As a European, I think it would be pretty funny if, after Brexit, the other parts of the former Empire joined the EU.

But at least right now, membership is probably more of a meme - some solid cooperation and shared institutions would be amazing, though.

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

EU already said this can't work. It said in the rules only European countries can join the EU. But something can be worked out, no doubt.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 day ago

Membership of the European Economic Area - same as Norway - for example.

Comes with being part of the EU Internal Market, Freedom Of Movement (both ways, of course) and exceptions in a couple of areas (such as fishing rights not being decided by the EU, which I suspect is something that Canada would rather have) but without voting power within the EU.

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

~~European~~ Worldwide Union

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Globalists but for real this time.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

You have to be "substantially European", which includes Cyprus, which is fully in Asia and half Turkish. Also, Greenland and to a degree Iceland aren't geographically European.

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[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Canada becomes a France province, easy.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or France becomes a Canadian one and switch to English as the primary official language. It would solve a ton of issues and I'm sure the French would be okay with it.

[–] KingPorkChop@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's been ok so far in Canada.

Wait...

[–] altasshet@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

Where did they get all those torches and pitchforks so fast?

[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 10 points 22 hours ago (8 children)

I'm super jealous because I've wanted to have Canadian citizenship since back in my late teens / early adulthood when I realized that there was already a version of America that actually lived up to American ideals and which offered same-sex marriage as well as universal healthcare. That weed and apparently codeine are legal there make it so much more bittersweet.

The only people I've known personally to get citizenship are those who married a Canadian citizen. Which sucks for me because I'm already happily partnered and there's no way I'd give that up for anything, not even Canadian citizenship, awesome and appealing as it is.

[–] drthunder@midwest.social 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe if/when the US invades, if we fight for Canada they'll give us citizenship.

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[–] DeepChill@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, we do share a land border with Denmark. Sooooo…. we’re practically European already!

[–] SaturdayMorning@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago (4 children)

And France (Saint Pierre) I think? Thanks CBC Gem!

[–] Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Saint Pierre and Miquelon, right by Newfoundland. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Guys guys guys, let's be good friends with the EU, let's even adopt some of their best policies, but honestly, they also have some baggage we don't need.

[–] JuxtaposedJaguar@lemmy.ml 5 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I just want to be sovereign. How is that so hard for people to understand?

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[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago

Ya both those prospects seem "Colonial"

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[–] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let's just rename the EU to "United Earth" like in Star Trek, since Australia is practically in it already on account of being in Eurovision.

That way we don't need to change the initials, just swap them.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Earth United would be better, no need to even change the merch.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 1 points 15 hours ago

Of course, all of these variations will still be different/inverted in french, which is already in the Union Européenne (UE) today.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They always lose on penalties to fuckin Mars, man

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[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well, if Canada can take part in the Eurovision song contest, they might as well join the EU.

Everyone knows supreme executive power is derived from Eurovision.

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[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 20 points 1 day ago

#canadentry

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Let the GOP force them to become a state. They'd get 2 senate seats and more electoral college votes and congressional seats than any other state. Just in time for the Dems to run on deannexing Canada.

[–] BlackSheep@lemmy.ca 3 points 19 hours ago

Actually, no, they wouldn’t. They would have ZERO rights.

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[–] FelixMortane@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

Yes please, I will vote to support this.

[–] AlolanVulpix@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Albbi@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I'm not sure why I keep seeing this posted, like it's some sort of gotcha. It doesn't mean our other elections would have to change, just the brand new representatives to the EU.

The vote for liberal leadership used Preferential Voting where you could indicate more than one preference.

[–] AlolanVulpix@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's not about being a "gotcha" - it's about demonstrating a pathway to better democratic representation.

You're right that EU membership would only require PR for European Parliament representatives initially. However, this would create several significant opportunities:

  1. Practical demonstration: Canadians would experience firsthand how an electoral system that ensures every vote counts actually works, rather than just hearing theoretical arguments.

  2. Institutional precedent: Once PR is successfully implemented for one electoral body, the argument that it's "too complex" or "un-Canadian" becomes much harder to maintain.

  3. Democratic legitimacy gap: Having representatives to the EU Parliament elected through PR while our own MPs are chosen through FPTP would create an obvious legitimacy contrast that would be difficult to justify.

The Liberal leadership vote using preferential voting actually supports this point. Internal party processes already recognize the limitations of FPTP - they just don't extend those same democratic principles to the general electorate. In fact, all parties, even the Conservatives, use superior electoral systems to FPTP.

The reality is that 76% of Canadians support electoral reform according to recent polling, but our major parties benefit from maintaining a system that systematically discards votes. Exposure to functioning PR would make the democratic deficit in our current system increasingly apparent.

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[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A lot of people don’t get it until they see it in action.

My union recently had a vote about increasing health benefits. “No” won in one of the categories because there were 3 options for how much to increase it by. (Yes won by 76% while the no beat the top yes 24% to 23%)

I pointed this out at the next meeting and we had a vote and struck the no vote. Later a bunch of people said thanks for pointing that out, and my reply was “no sweat, we have the same problem with our elections.”

Then everyone applauded and Einstein gave me a piece of π. Just kidding, it was more like weird looks and a couple agreements, but I like to think I brought the issue to a few people’s attention.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When "the big one™" hits, can California join either of y'all?

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