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There have also been an uptick in incidents of arson, vandalism, and violence against Tesla showrooms that, while unrelated to the protests, have led to Musk and President Donald Trump labeling them “domestic terrorism."
It's perfectly reasonable to think that at least some of these could be false flag opperations orchestrated by the Trump administration to give them cover to arrest innocent people and eventually declare martial law. The more that possibility is part of the mainstream conversation, the more wind it takes out of their sails towards accomplishing those goals.
I wish the stock price would just collapse already along with organic consumer demand for the cars themselves evaporating into nothing so it could whither and die a natural death.
As much as I hate Musk, I'm not a fan of seeing property damaged. Not because I love the property, but because it's too easy to leverage it as terrorism by a regime that has a hard-on for labeling anything it doesn't like as such. Consumer collapse and bankruptcy would be beautiful to behold.
I don't like damage to property cause I'm scared of my tyrannical government
lol ok, bet doing nothing will work. Maybe try appeasement?
Strategic dissent is what matters. I doubt things would have been improved if targeted groups in Germany had violently rioted and smashed Mercedes, Benzs, and Volkswagens (or whatever the main rides were at the time). I mean, the Reichstag Fire was the perfect excuse to accelerate the tyranny (and it was probably an inside job!). Just the same, smashing cars probably won't endear the generally-docile public to the cause. I would say most people (i.e. the support force necessary for widespread change) don't want to be associated with violence. It might win some over, but it'll polarize others, exacerbating the situation and possibly creating Rittenhouse militias to evolve into gestapos.
Sure, once the ruling evil exists in earnest and the rule of law is declared fully dead, clandestine resistance saboteurs may be necessary, but they'll aim for strategic targets with a high gain of hurt laid upon the tyrannical regime. They won't expose themselves to frivolous targets like individual electric cars. If anything, they'll target infrastructure and try to make it look like government incompetence to incite people against those in power.
This gray time is confusing and scary, by design. Extreme action just probably won't elicit the desired effect right now. Figuring out a way to inceptually make The People attribute their various pains and grievances to the actions and personalities in power should be the goal.
Just the same, smashing cars probably won’t endear the generally-docile public to the cause. I would say most people (i.e. the support force necessary for widespread change) don’t want to be associated with violence.
Which is why we should be considering the real possibility that these are false flag attacks. Want to turn the general populace against peaceful protesters? Engineer false flag attacks that make the protesters appear violent. Now you can arrest peaceful protesters and the general populace will turn and look the other way.
Pretty sure property damage is one of the options to attack a tyrannical government. Assassinations too. At least its options people have used, not sure exactly how effective it was but the nazis lost in the end.
Maybe we can all give Trump all our money and he’ll just go away! Yay!
I'm worried about the next Rittenhouse. Stay safe out there and watch out for the "good guy with a gun"
You can counter a rittenhouse with a second amendment.
I love when someone brings up Rittenhouse because I dated someone who went to high school with him, so I know quite a bit about him.
Turns out all of the signs were there and his mom encouraged that type of stuff :)
Where can a civilian get a good bulletproof vest?
In the US I'm pretty sure you can just buy them online.
They sell plate carriers at my local gun store.
Lol all over
Burn it to the mother fucking ground. The line must go down.
~~Drill, baby, drill~~
Burn, baby, burn
This is such an odd attitude for him as well because oil extraction is expensive and slow. By the time he starts to see any profit from this his term is almost going to be up. But then again I suppose he is an idiot.
I wasn't even trying to talk about him or his intentions. I just wanted to use a mutated version of his slogan to cheer on the Tesla destroyers.
There are lots of Tesla protests going on every weekend. See https://actionnetwork.org/event_campaigns/teslatakedown to find one near you.
Also see https://www.mobilize.us/indivisible/ for even more (not necessarily Tesla specific) protests going on all over the place all the time.
Participate in what you can.
Already planning on it 😎
Come on guys get Tesla stocks to 0!
I'm curious if anyone knows if cars, especially electric cars, are vulnerable to EMPs?
Technically yes, but practically no.
Disclaimer - not an electromagnetic scientist wizard
My understanding is that EMPs are more of a concern for the tiny electronics on computers versus relatively large motors or batteries. So, an electric vehicle is still at risk, but I don’t think it’d be any more at risk than any ICE car that’s all computerized anyways.
It would probably mess up the controlling computer though.
Occasionally cars get hit by lightning and that usually causes a lot of errors and glitches and sometimes it totally writes off the vehicle.
From what I understand, the vulnerability of a chip has to do with the operating voltage of the chip. As chips have become smaller, and more efficient, they have also become less vulnerable to EMP. Higher voltage components are more vulnerable, like the motors, but I don't think you are going to get a man-portable device that will damage them. Maybe one that would fit in a vehicle, but you would have to be very close (inverse square law) and you would have to find a way to not fry your own vehicle.
Not a chip designer, nor an electrician, if anyone with more credibility wants to jump in here, please do.
“Everything’s computer”
With all the touch screens and computer controlled door handles I wouldn‘t bet on a Tesla in this showdown.
thats one of the many downsides of making everything computer
All cars with computers are vulnerable
So like 95-99% of cars registered in a developed economy.
Sounds about right, yeah.