Admittedly, she would have been better than Trump, but fuck her for sandbagging Sanders in '16.
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I mean Kamala did not do better. She went to bed with "moderate" republicans, never pushed back on border security issues and claims of mosts immigrants being criminal - even leaned into them. She knew Israel was supporting Trump, still decided to support Israel and go all in on them.
All she did run on was: "I'm not Trump; I like his stance on immigration and border politics but I am a woman of colour and also support the LGBTQ+. Vote for me! Muhh project 2025!!"
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Fun fact, if you live in a blue state and didn't donate to Trump, Hillary is far more responsible for his win then you are even discounting her other campaign issues.
Lot of silent down votes. Sorry to hurt your feelings but facts are facts. Hillary bankrolled Trump.
Yeah. There's no chance of election reform in this country, we're always going to have a two party system without equal votes. So there's no point pushing on the popular vote to help people realise the system is corrupt. Trump winning the popular vote isn't a problem for us at all.
Hillary bankrolled Trump.
Are you saying the DNC produced ads against trump's RNC opponents or are you saying Hillary donated money to trump's campaign?
Because "Hillary bankrolled trump" is not true, by a longshot.
I really don't understand the hatred of Hillary. Like, the Republicans yeah sure. But everyone else why?
Hillary is great. She's the reason Donald Trump is president. Her campaign gave money to Trump's campaign during the 2016 primaries. Because of her, Trump is ruining the economy and helping us create a socialist revolution.
I’m praying this is satire but I can no longer tell in 2025.
The DNC did help finance almost all the crazy right wing canidates that have held power since 2015. Donald Trump included. And yes i mean the DNC literally gave money to fringe republican campaigns, enough to get their names on the ballots.
They thought Hillary would win easily if they could make sure to run her against the most crazy and corrupt hicks possible, but that pissed people off and then America voted for the hicks out of spite.
I’m aware but thinking this was a good idea is the part I can’t tell if it’s real.
It seems fairly obvious to me that this was a poor decision.
Just to be clear I'm a 100% serious Marxist-Leninist who firmly believes that women are bourgeois
This still doesn’t help I’m afraid.
Also, communism is stupid. In a classless, moneyless, stateless society, people would go out of control and society would collapse. State socialism with authoritarian control is the only stable and fair form of government. Marx said as much in Capital.
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It worked great for Hillary, so why wouldn't it work great for us??
Is there an article on that? Haven't seen that before.
She called it the pied piper strategy and it isnt exclusive to 2016. Once it failed Democrats doubled down and funded right wing extremists nationwide.
An email recently released by the whistleblowing organization WikiLeaks shows how the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party bear direct responsibility for propelling the bigoted billionaire to the White House.
Cool, does WikiLeaks have any other emails from the 2016 DNC?
Probably? Is there a point or just whataboutism
The point is WikiLeaks produced the DNC email leaks after being given them by russia, which spawned the "grassroots" Qanon pizzagate theory that swung a lot of formerly sane people into extremism and if you're using that leak as the source for the DNC screwing over Bernie, it's important to have the full context.
Sure, and ill add that Sanders made similar allegations and the emails were verified. [Shultz stepped down over them].(https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wasserman-schultz-to-step-down-as-dnc-chairwoman-amid-email-fallout) it is not a conspiracy, it is a fact.
Absolutely the fact that DWS altered the rules to benefit Hillary is a fact.
So is WikiLeaks' conspiring with russia to support trump. Also a fact.
Ick. It seems to be an issue with the DNC/her campaign though. I didn't see any evidence of this coming from her. Which isn't much better, either she didn't know or just chose to do nothing. All because the DNC was left vulnerable to financial influence because they were in debt from Obama. They needed all that funding to get a reasonable human being in office. Uggggggh it always just boils down to money. God I wish Bernie had been president. He would have worked to get the rich out of our government. I gotta take a break from this, it's just fucking depressing
We also could have had Bernie but Debbie Wasserman Shultz rigged the primary and got away with it.
Democrats are not a viable alternative to fascism, they have been working to legitimize it for well over a decade.
The order then explained why the lawsuit would be dismissed. “The Court must now decide whether Plaintiffs have suffered a concrete injury particularized to them, or one certainly impending, that is traceable to the DNC and its former chair’s conduct—the keys to entering federal court. The Court holds that they have not.”
So your link says the lawsuit was dismissed because they couldn't show Bernie lost because of DWS's fuckery. Which is the case. Bernie lost because Bernie lost in addition to DWS's fuckery. He lost in other years without the fuckery too. And to put too fine a point on it, he's an Independent, not a Democrat.
Democrats are not a viable alternative to fascism, they have been working to legitimize it for well over a decade.
What a load of shit.
Sorry but what do you call donating money to fascists, buying their ads, supporting their PACs, and voting for their platform if not legitimizing fascism?
Overly simplistic and deliberately misleading.
I guess in your mind there is no reason why multiple concrete actions taken to slide us into fascism and support right wing extremism should be considered nuance.
"actions taken to slide us into fascism" is nonsense.
You can describe in detail one of those actions, and that'd possibly be valid - depending on the action you're describing.
"supporting right wing extremism" is deliberately miscontextualized. Presuming you're talking about the 'pied piper' strategy. If "supporting right wing extremism" is referring to something else, then it's just miscontextualized.
It is an accurate assessment of the result of the pied Piper strategy. The context in this case is a distinction without a difference. Feel free to claim good intentions all you'd like on their behalf. It is a waste of breath considering the results.
Whether the dems manslaughtered their way into it vs Republican murder, the veneer of legitimacy the government had was killed off. Whatever strategic excuse is drummed up, the DNC funded the campaigns of right wing extremists and are clearly culpable for their wins alongside the Republican conservative base. I blame the DNC with my whole chest for their hand in creating the conditions that enabled a fascist populat movement while stifling the left.
Yeah, it's a good thing Trump won and is going to cancel elections. Now that people don't have any hope through traditional channels, we can have a communist revolution.
I am not so optimistic that socialism will win in an American civil war. Its all bad for this country
This sadly isn't going to happen.
The american people will stand around and hold signs like the neolibs tell them until their bank accounts run out and then they'll slither back to their wage slave jobs because all the food in town is sent in on 3 trucks that are controlled by Kroger executives
Your GRU channels are overextended, what with having to attack Canada and France too.
Second link:
NPR (2022)-Democrats are buying ads supporting far-right GOP primary candidates, in the hopes of facing them in the general election — a strategy that former Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri tried in 2012.
Nothing to do with Clinton, fwiw
NPR went 4 extra years back, but Clintons campaign did it for trump in 2016. It is the same pied Piper strategy
It's because Americans (read Republicans and tankies) are sexist shitbags.
the propaganda against her was immense, her emails, bhengazi, and then the comey guy thought trump would take on russian interference, but he was ousted almost immediately.
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They use "Trump Derangement Syndrome" with no awareness of where the term came from or why.