Communism isn't the boogie man, but it does bring the extreme kinda poverty that cause millions of people to starve.
Communism is shit. Get educated.
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How can communism deal with the food per total human issue without people managing that based on their own effort and resources and self-determinstion? Has the centralized planning leads to starvation problem been resolved now? I am not being sarcastic and am open to persuasion. Our current system is a disaster but it's not clear to me how communism can deal with problems of motivation, allocation, and resource management to avoid mass starvations.
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Ah yes, Kirbo, the only creature that wouldn't die of hunger on a collectivist paradise because he is:
-Inmortal
-Able to basically eat anything, even nothingness
This humor is like food in Soviet Russia. Not everybody gets it
The current capitalist system has become an ecologial and humanitarian disaster in many places. Both options don't work well, although mass starvation and government central control is likely worse.
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Every single fucking time: THIS IS THE FUTURE UNDER COMMUSOCIALMARXISM!
endless pictures of current capitalism conditions, usually centered around homeless people
Yeah, it sure is a good thing we have capitalism to make sure that every person is taken care of and nobody gets fed to the orphan grinding machine.
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There’s a whole social psychology regarding perception management. If you want this idea to catch and snag more people, then substitute “the working class” for communism.
This also sets home the correct idea that we are in a class war right now. Most rules that don’t favor working class are intended to funnel more money up instead of to the people making the work happen.
Pure versions of each have their flaws. Mixed-economics yields the highest quality of life according to the top ranking nations on the World Happiness Report. Nordic nations have the blueprint. We just need to adopt it.
The fact that this still got 14 downvotes. Wow...
Edit: Also these BrainInABox and Cowbee communist apologists are really begging for a block or even a ban. Absolutely despicable. Might they be bots or trolls of somekind? They seem to have an awful lot of time on their hands.
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Nordic nations is still exploitive capitalism.
And socialist countries had exploitative socialism. I think realistically it's best to try and find a system with least exploitation balanced with best quality of life for the people.
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There are a few problems here.
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All economies are "mixed," ergo it isn't a meaningful distinction. What is more useful is recognizing which aspect of the economy is the principle, ie which has the real dominant power, over large firms and key industries. Socialism is when the public sector is the principle aspect, Capitalism is when private ownership is the principle aspect. That's why the PRC is Socialist, and the Nordic countries are Capitalist.
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Judging which system is correct purely by looking to which countries have the highest happiness scores is myopic. We could use the same logic to say that Jeff Bezos has the most comfortable life, so we should all copy him. The problem is that we can't. The Nordics fund their safety nets through Imperialism, ie super-exploiting the Global South, and because Private Ownership has domination over the state, worker protections and safety nets have been gradually sliding.
This is why having a good knowledge of theory and taking everything within a large context, rather than with harsh boundaries, is important to draw correct conclusions.
The Nordics fund their safety nets through Imperialism, ie super-exploiting the Global South
Finnish imperialism 💪🏼 Not sure what sort of imperialism Finland for example is doing that for example China isn't. We are super-exploiting them in the same way, as in doing trade and having our companies operate in those countries.
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I'll never understand people who insist China is 'State Capitalism' but Nordic countries are ideal socialism, somehow.
There are a few different reasons that give rise to these (false) conclusions, and different reasons manifest in different degrees. Ie, not everyone will have all of these reasons, but most have at least one.
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Chauvanism. Intentionally or not, there is often a superstructural element to western thought derived from being a beneficiary of Imperialism that discredits the achievements of non-Western Leftists. The fact that a western revolution has failed to materialize leads to some westerners being defensive and thus discrediting the achievements of the PRC.
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A lack of real analysis at what the PRC is economically structured as. It's easy to not understand the makeup of the PRC's economy if you don't engage with it.
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A lack of reading Marxist theory, and thus not being able to properly analyze structures from a Dialectical Materialist perspective.
In my opinion, those are the main 3 reasons for such conclusions.
I imagine the next deflection is something like 'but china has the second largest number of billionares', but as soon as you sort that list by per-capita it suddenly tells a very different story.
Especially since that number is decreasing in recent years while GDP growth is still solidly positive.
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May I ask an honest question? Is your account run by 5 people? How do you find time to write thorough, well written responses to so many posts? We don't always agree ideologically, but I really respect your methods.
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Nordic nations have the blueprint.
They may be doing certain things right but do other totally wrong like forced conscription. Keep also in mind that they exploit third world countries like everyone else, their goods are made in china.
I would happily join the military in a country that actually cared for me. Thats something worth fighting for.
A country that cares for you wouldn't force you to join the military and put you in jail if you refuse.
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The flaw is humans; we'll corrupt any system.
I would say it's the dominant western neoliberal culture that accepts corruption as an "Oh well what can you do" type thing. Not all cultures are so accepting of corruption. We need to start treating corruption as great of a sin as murder or pedophilia, perhaps more so.
But the orphan grinding machine has always been around! We can't just tear it down, that's insulting to all the people it ground up!
What's crazy is my "liberal" family use this logic unironically.
You’re not wrong. Some systems are still better than others though.
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Kirby does have experience with Marx.
Ia ?
Kirby would never say that!
He would say poyo