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[–] Guidy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

It will get worse than this and I’ll tell you how:

At some point Apple may be forced to allow alternative app stores.

Win for consumers, right? Hahaha… nope!

Because now the device you just bought not only requires an app, that app is only available at the shady AppStore that some salesman convinced a CEO to use or whatever.

So now you need an account with this new App Store who surely protects your privacy and is held to the same scrutiny as Apple. /s What could possibly go wrong?

Oh and it won’t be your device just for you, it’ll be your new washing machine or car or spouse’s car or the refrigerator or something else that you can’t easily return/your family won’t see the big deal.

[–] thericofactor@sh.itjust.works 134 points 1 week ago (11 children)

I got a Sonos speaker for Christmas a couple years ago.

As soon as I realized I needed an account for it to simply play music, I went to return it. The guy in the store told me that there were no speaker brands that did not require an account these days, and that I shouldn't be so petty. He said "but you also have a Google account, right?", "Why is a Sonos account such a problem?".

I told him indeed, I already need a Google account for my phone to work, a Spotify account for listening to my music, and now a Sonos account for my speaker that plays that music , and I thought that was ridiculous.

My previous speaker was a Sony, and while that did have an app to configure it, it didn't require setting up an account with any personal data, which I think is fucked up for a device whose main purpose is just to produce sound. I left the speaker in the store and got my money back.

I did some research and found Teufel devices, speakers from Germany that work fine with an app that doesn't require an account. Now all my speakers and soundbars around the house are Teufel, and I'm very happy with them. I think also Yamaha has (or at least had) accountless speakers. So win/win - buying European and keeping my privacy a little more in check.

I did the same for my smart scale. I don't want my weight in the cloud somewhere, or on the servers of some Chinese or U.S. company somewhere. An app on my phone can store daily weight and other health data just fine.

So when I wanted a smart scale, I also did some research. It turns out there's an open source app called openscale that does exactly that: just store the data locally on my phone, and it supports a bunch of devices.

I got myself a Beurer scale (coincidentally also a German brand) because I read you can skip the whole account setup. Then used openscale to register my weigh ins. It works, I'm sure the cloud apps of larger brands have a nicer user interface, but they come at the cost of my privacy, which I simply refuse to sell out for a piece of hardware whose main purpose is to show me what I weigh.

I think people should be more conscious about their data. I don't use apple pay or Google wallet, my bank already knows most of what I pay, where and when. Why would I want to share that with these big corporations? I will gladly trade in a little convenience for a lot of privacy.

[–] GreenMartian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 1 week ago

Teufel

It's hilarious that you literally have to make a deal with the Devil for this.

[–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago

God I love lemmy, tysm for posting genuinely

[–] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I have a scale that shows my weight.

And a speaker that plugs into my phone with the jack.

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[–] dukatos@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You don't need Google account for your phone to work.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Peoples expectation for "working" is "has absolutely all features that you would have with google, no exceptions". If even a single feature is missing, people will scream thats its unusable.

[–] ReginaPhalange@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The problem starts when a government service or your bank requires an app that needs play services/ uses play integrity API.

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[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

My JBL soundbar has no app.
Your only option is configuring it with the Google Home app

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 5 points 1 week ago

The guy in the store told me that there were no speaker brands that did not require an account these days

Just buy a simple Bluetooth speaker.

Don't look for a smart speaker. Don't look for a big brand. Just type “Bluetooth speaker” into the search engine of your favourite webshop or whatnot.

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 63 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

I remember when I got a Kobo Glo ereader a decade ago, I was soo excited to have an ereader that wasn't tied to Amazon.

So I booted it up, and it immediately wanted me to not only register, but to download a program on my computer, and do it from there.

I refused and got pissed.

I started googling and found a guide to hack it.

You had to manually modify the Sqlite database and create a user there.

After doing that, it just worked.

The feeling of relief and accomplishment was fantastic!

[–] clonedhuman@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That was a great feeling--taking something locked in, programmed, something that used intentionally deceptive description and design, and finding a way to make it your own. To, basically, break the deceptive design and make the device better by "breaking" it.

When I rooted my first Android phone I felt that way. It's a shame how much of the computing power in phones is used for nothing but harvesting our data and profiting from our use of the computer.

There's so much more we need to break now.

[–] Ajzak@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

it's very sad to me that I won't be rooting my next phone because of play integrity API. At least ADB is here to stay.... right?

[–] grandma@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (7 children)

This is why I bought a 12 year old Sony ereader, the only thing I really miss is a back(front?)light

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[–] demizerone@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago

I got the same camera. I did not want to side load an android app just to use it, but I legit thought "three tries only, this can't be serious". Sure enough if you exhaust the trials you cannot use the device. None of the reviews or vids I read and saw mentioned this, or glossed over it. I returned that bitch. Told DJI the reason was I cannot use the camera and I don't have an iPhone and I also don't want to side load an app on my android phone. They accepted thankfully.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This speaks directly to GoPro. Fuck them and their bullshit.

You can't even properly use their hardware without using their crippled app. And if you aren't paying for their subscription to use the app they force you to use, be prepared to be harassed endlessly about subscribing.

They even cripple new hardware with the inability to stabilize video unless you have their shitty app do it.

Could you imagine headphones that only play music through an app that requires a subscription? That's the level of enshittification we're going to start seeing.

[–] JayleneSlide@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Who else heard "gargle my balls" upon seeing that pic of Louis Rossman?

For those not familiar, check out his YT channel, his work with futo.org (https://wiki.futo.org/index.php/Introduction_to_a_Self_Managed_Life:_a_13_hour_%26_28_minute_presentation_by_FUTO_software), and his Consumer Action Taskforce wiki (https://wiki.rossmanngroup.com/wiki/Main_Page). Here is a person with an electronics repair business trying his hardest to make sure nobody ever needs his services.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Louis always leaves me confused. He gives a strong libertarian vibe but equally I seem to find myself in agreement with most of what he says, certainly on board with his crusade.

[–] ifItWasUpToMe@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

I’m very similar, he has a good message, but the way he comes off is a complete turn off to me. Can’t stand the guy.

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[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

What you need is design with purpose. Why is there an app vs physical controls. Because everyone's doing it, or to collect data to sell, or because it offers real value to the user?

If it doesn't benefit users, don't be surprised when you get flamed and lose sales.

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I keep saying framework laptop guys should come out with Linux phone that runs postMarketOS or Mobian. It's can't be that crazy of an idea considering Pine64 and Purism could literally push out their own phones. Obviously given the state of things right now, sure maybe not going to happen... but I will keep preaching this.

[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The only thing holding back linux phone other than the SOC is the modem. It is a black box computer on its own with no fixed way to interact with them.

VoLTE is nearly impossible to implement across all the countries. Same will be true with 5G.

You can't build a open hardware modem because of all the patents.

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Very good points my friend. Capitalism strikes again... 😔

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[–] Turret3857@infosec.pub 24 points 1 week ago (2 children)

i would let this man fix my broken app connected cockring

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[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 22 points 1 week ago

This is why I like marine devices. By necessity, they have to operate offline. There's no cellular service in the middle of the ocean. I have a Xantrex LiFePo BMS and a Victron solar charge controller on my boat, and neither requires a cloud account to use the app.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago

Most of the time it's not the hardware that needs to be open-sourced (i.e. CAD, Gerber PCB files, etc.) It's mostly just that the hardware should use standard, open protocols. It would be nice to have the full PCB design so you could rewire things if something breaks. But, most of the time, it's good enough if the device uses standard HTTP or standard Bluetooth, rather than something proprietary.

[–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I hope RISCV helps with the liberation of hardware firmware. It looks promising.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It won't. Nothing stops companies from open-sourcing their hardware and firmware already.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I can accept optional apps. If it's mandatory I will return the device. My oven can connect to the wifi but has never been connected.

[–] AoxoMoxoA@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

My buddy wanted to give me some OLED tv because he baught another one he didnt need recently but im happy with my 2010 toshiba non- smart TV.

Apps should have to send a monthly statement of how much money they make from and how they used your personal information. Possibly even cut you a check each month

[–] peetabix@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why would an oven need to be connected to WiFi? Do people start cooking something then leave the house?

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[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I made the mistake of getting a hwawei (can't be bothered to spell it properly, sorry) smartwatch.

They play store app doesn't work properly, so I need to install their own appstore (that they made because of sanctions) and get the app there.

I lost it a while ago, but I learned to never buy another.

[–] Noja@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I got a fitness armband as a gift and use gadgetbridge (free and open source Android app) https://gadgetbridge.org/gadgets/wearables/huawei-honor/ Maybe it supports your watch?

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If they don't need me to register the app, do they still get personal data, i.e. who I am? Does the phone rat me out?

[–] kopasz7@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Welcome to the world of fingerprinting and shadow profiles. You are unique by the data you generate, even if it doesn't have your name on it.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Fun related fact, Facebook has an account for you even if you don't have a Facebook account, and your Facebook account has all sorts of information like relationships and employment status.

This is because all of your friends have Facebook accounts, and all of them give the platform access to their contacts, so Facebook knows that you're "John Smith," "John work," "John tech support," "John coworker," etc. They also know your email, thanks to your HR lady storing that alongside your phone number

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago

Hah, you assume I have friends.

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[–] HorreC@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

we've gone to a house email account with a tablet that is hooked to it and all those accounts stay on that and it never moves. But even then all those things that need it are put on a list for getting rid of and if we NEED the smart tech of it we will start to look for other options.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago

I tried to get Rogers internet a few months back, I actually answered the door for one of them annoying salespeople, and they gave me a price straight up that was $1 more a month than I was currently paying, so yeah I signed up

Oh cool I need an app on my smartphone with an internet connection in order to set up my home internet connection? Oh and this thing doesn't even let you manage DNS? Oh and there's no web portal to manage settings, literally everything has to be done through the app?

yep I fucked right off out of that, never trying Rogers again. ever

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