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[-] Plibbert@lemmy.ml 76 points 1 year ago

It honestly worries me how many people roll their eyes when you say this. When it's blatantly fucking obvious. Where are all the patriots to scream " THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IS THERE FOR A FUCKIN REASON"

[-] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

They truly unironically believe that America is a Christian nation and intended to be one by the founding fathers. I don't know how they believe something with such a massive contradiction as if that's the case why is separation of church and state something the founding fathers included. Doesn't have to make sense to people living in reality.

[-] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

That's just the thing- they've got church-funded groups churning out historical revisionism in which the Framers were really trying to found a Biblical version of Sparta but the wicked usurpers got power and ruined it with their War of Northern Aggression

Reality? LOL they're trying to replace reality with their version, which tells you to bend your contemporary knee to them

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 11 points 1 year ago

They also act like the founders are gods whose supposed wishes need to be followed unquestioningly forever.

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[-] Pickle_Jr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 year ago

The red scare propaganda really didn't help by putting, "In God we trust," on the dollar bill and the, "[one nation,] under God," part in the pledge allegiance.

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[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because MAGAs deny they've aligned themselves with religious extremists because Gregg who goes to church every Sunday likes football and guns so he's probably not a fascist.

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[-] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago

People actually think hamas is a threat to the USA?

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

I think the risk is more in the way of Hamas getting recruits in the US and inciting terrorist acts here.

That said it’s a vague possibility compared to the certainty that christofascists will absolutely incite terrorist and insurrectist acts.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

christofascists

Have, done, continue to do terrorist attacks.

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[-] tacosplease@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

My mom gave me a couple boxes of bullets because she's worried about Hamas.

Hamas is not the threat I'm worried about, but I'm happy to have more ammo all the same.

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[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 47 points 1 year ago

If only we could get more people, especially young adults, to care about politics. Those asshats would get eradicated in the primaries.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago

A big part of the problem is that the damn DNC doesn't have anybody worth anything. They're all a bunch of geriatrics whose platforms are so uninspiring that the only reason people vote for them is because of how vile their GOP opponents are.

If there were no possible way that anybody in the GOP could win and two DNC candidates were running against each other, I'm not sure I could even be bothered to vote, they're all equally bland and useless. They're practically the embodiment of "business as usual".

On one side you have a party whose entire platform is essentially "we're going to burn everything down and in the ashes rebuild all the worst parts of the 20th century, from robber barons to slave plantations with a little neo-nazi spice for flavor". Then on the other side you've got "we'll slightly improve things, but not too much because we don't want to step on the toes of the ones signing our paychecks, and we'll actively oppose anyone who makes too big a wave".

[-] Seraph@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Do you think a new party further left would gain serious traction, particularly with the youth? I'd love to see it happen but I have my doubts.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Yes, but it's not possible with first past the post. We desperately need proportional voting, it's the only way we'll break the stranglehold that the DNC and GOP have on US politics.

[-] Seraph@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

The lack of Ranked Choice has likely caused untold damage. It has to happen before any other real change can occur.

[-] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

Happened with Bernie. There are just too many middle aged folks who preferred Biden.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

That and the DNC just barely tolerates Bernie. They like him because he attracts actual progressives to the DNC, but if they think he might actually get any kind of control they throw everything they have at crushing him. Look at how many dirty tricks they pulled when he was running against Hillary. I strongly suspect they would kick him out of the party before they actually let him win a primary.

[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Right. We need a democratic party who would elevate a Bernie Sanders type and not isolate him.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

A third party will never work.

That's why Bernie spent like half a century telling people that and motivating younger generations to get involved in the entire political process on a grass roots level. Then slowly replacing the people who are currently running the party.

If that works, then maybe someday that new party would have the votes to fundementally overhaul our political system and get rid of the bullshit private parties.

But until that happens, both the major parties will always care about donations more than anything else.

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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Blaming young people is a great way to convince them to vote for you.

In case you didn’t know… Boomers held the largest voting block for all but the last election or two. So if your gojng to play the generational blame game, why don’t you blame people who’ve been creating policy for the last 60 years or so.

[-] AFKBRBChocolate@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I didn't see anyone blaming, I read that comment as saying that younger people significantly disagree with the Christian right, so if we could get more of them voting we'd be able to trounce the generally older folks who vote GOP.

It's a little oversimplified though. If you look at the demographics of the last presidential election, there were lots of older people voting for Biden and younger people voting for Trump. Not the majority, but the difference isn't as stark as a lot of people think.

[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

This. I wasn’t blaming anyone.

I really am talking about primaries. There is a huge gap between who votes in primaries and general elections.

I think that even Republican primaries would be different if they had to cater toward a younger group.

And all the people that have responded are right. Boomers are a huge chunk of the voting bloc. But they don’t care about us and they won’t live long enough to see the repercussions. Overwhelming them in the primaries would help us more in the short term. I’m not sure we can make it another twenty plus years.

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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Of course it’s far more complicated.

The reality is “young people don’t vote” has been a dog whistle for blaming “kids” (gen z haven’t been kids for a while now.) for the way things are.

Lamentation about young kids not voting is just another way boomers have passed the buck on issues that have been a problem since before my parents were alive, and in any case, millennials and gen z have been voting at unprecedentedly high levels when we were “the kids” compared to prior generations when they were.

The reality is that boomers have dominated politics relative to other generations and a lot of the disengagement perceived comes from being outright ignored- nevermind being told that one is ignorant and should just shut up and vote the way they tell me to.

You want young people engaged, then engage them and expend effort on advancing their interests. Corpo dems always act like Bernie was a fluke. It wasn’t. He’s one of the few voices we have in the senate that doesn’t look at us as a means to collecting more bribes from corporations.

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[-] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago

Hamas has no airforce, no navy, no modern army. They shouldn't even make our top 100 issues list

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

Hamas has no airforce

Tbh neither did Al-Qaida, until they hijacked a couple of planes. That's the sort of threat being talked about, not like Red Dawn shit

[-] mlg@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah but Al-Qaeda was ranting about attacking the USA for years and had actually already done terror acts by 9/11

Hamas basically doesn't exist outside Israel. Technically, they're Hezbollah's little brother according to the US. They really only care about whatever happens in Gaza. Kind of like the Taliban in Afghanistan

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Oh they're for sure not on the same level, I just meant that the worry is about terrorist attacks and not like Invasion USA

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[-] Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 1 year ago

Y'all Quaeda.

[-] ebits21@lemmy.ca 27 points 1 year ago

Well yeah, since when is Hamas a threat to America?

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[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

The title is 100% correct. The FBI rated homegrown terrorism from radicalized right wing a bigger threat way back under the Bush regime, even. And of course the cons got all butthurt about this simple fact.

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[-] mdurell@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

“Has the White House considered the possibility that a terrorist could be in the country right now after crossing the southern border?”

What a bullshit question. The core question is valid, “Has the White House considered the possibility that a terrorist could be in the country right now."

But the rest is a bullshit political talking point, “...after crossing the southern border?”

As if we only have one method for a terrorist to get in. Nevermind the northern border, the shores, air flights, and then the truly scary threat that the terrorists were born here and are citizens. But, screw all that, WhAt AbOUt tHe MeXiCaNs!?

This framing shows that the asker has more interest in building support for a Republican talking point into the coming elections than giving a shit about terrorist threats within our borders (all of them).

[-] blazeknave@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

This article was barely about the headline. It was far worse and I'm actually afraid of 2024

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago
[-] spaceghoti@lemmy.one 13 points 1 year ago

How? It's comparing one terrorist group against another.

[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Hamas, over in Palestine, focused on Israel occupation of Palestine vs American conservative Christians on American soil. Comparing how big of a threat they're to the US seems weird. It's a comparison that I wouldn't have thought about

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[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Ah alright. In the context it makes more sense, it just hadn't occurred me to make such comparison

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