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These apps need ulterior uses.
Most know Matrix as an alternative to Discord.
has it replaced Discord? No, and it isn't likely to, buuuut Matrix is still a swiss-army-knife for other chat protocols via bridges, so it has its own use beyond Discord.
It's still useful, even alone.
What problem does Peertube solve beyond not being Youtube?
I think we should discuss about what is holding PeerTube back. For starters a monetization system
afaik most YT creators get their money from sponsor blocks rather than ads these days, so nothing really changes there… i think the combination of sponsors and some patreon-style system is plenty, so i’m not sure monetisation is the issue
The fact that you posted a link to this video from YouTube not peer tube says a lot.
Maybe, not what you think it does, though
The point is outreach to the other platform. Sending engagement to this video on YouTube will boost it due to YouTube's algorithm. More exposure on YouTube = more potential new PeerTube users. Publishing this on PeerTube is preaching to the choir. As an alternative platform, you always need to maintain a presence on the main platform so you can encourage people looking to leave.
Publishing this on PeerTube is also a problem. I mentioned this in another post, but to expand, I really, really, want to like PeerTube. But:
IMO PeerTube could be great, but it has a lot of shortcomings that aren't solved by adding features and fixing bugs.
It would better to make peer tube super easy to use without needing to do more than cluck once on. A button and get going
The thing holding open source back is the gatekeeping. Developers could spend more time actually working with u.i experts to make things easy, but no. Rather make everyone think it's some magic that requires 50 steps.
Make it easy to do business and give them a great product. That's all that needs to be done. Do that foss community, and you'll win.
Or at least publishing links to both would look better.
It's a nice thought but even this guy did not continue his Peertube instance. More of a thought experiment.
The main value of youtube for many of us is the enormous video collection, which is impractical for anyone else to duplicate. Need to fix an old washing machine (I did, recently)? Type in the make and model and there's an instructional vid. It's unfortunate that Google has exclusive control over such a resource, but here we are.
Maybe a silly idea, but what about a P2P-based video hosting! Hear me out:
We have more computing power and bandwith in our homes than ever before. We know that sharing data and files via P2P works, is resiliant against attacks, and scales really well.
No server costs mean that people could support creators by seeding the content to other peers. One cool thing about that would be seeing how you are making a difference, in real time.
The difficult part is not the software or even the hosting. It's more about the network effects and the ability to let users monetize uploads, which in turn creates vast potential for abuse and fraud, which in turn has to be addressed by burning stupendous resources. At a certain point people stop wanting exposure or "making a difference" for their own sake, and instead want to get paid in genuine coin of the realm.
Absolutely, people still need money. So P2P would not solve that bit, but at least the donations can go directly towards content creation rather than having to cover server costs as well.
I think it’s running it at a loss too. But there’s no reason these platforms couldn’t be publicly owned.
Publicly owned by which government? Because I don't think YouTube's home of the US is really a good choice right now.
A centralized platform providing infrastructure could be financed using a tax on every internet subscription.
That's actually not a bad idea, but who would hold that money? Elon and Ron DeSantis showed that anyone can just waltz into a government office and steal all their money.
I agree. I’m not thinking about USA at all.
As for the EU, we should fund a federated or decentralised system. I think it works well on Lemmy. For example I know not to trust feddit.org for anything related to Palestine. Content on other servers shows their pro-Israel bias.
I think a system like that could benefit the US to a point, at least until the government block all external news and commentary.
It was, but monetization has been so aggressively everywhere that I think they finally are in the black at least since 2018.
I had no idea. You’re right. It was a $15B business in 2019. https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/3/21121207/youtube-google-alphabet-earnings-revenue-first-time-reveal-q4-2019
Makes the ads seem even more obscene now that I know that.
That only mentions revenue, we still don't know their operating costs.
I wonder what would happen if Google decided to "turn off" YouTube.
some random mfs with 400TB of hoarded YouTube videos will emerge out of hiding
I would be free from relying on a single google server for anything.
I just can't get into using Peertube. I love the idea, but in my experience, it just doesn't work the way it should. Slow, low video quality, hard to get the federation working properly, and most importantly, a general lack of content creators I care to follow.
I stick with Odysee for this, and several other reasons.
Consider using Grayjay, you can combine creators from various sources to one app. Including YouTube, Peertube, Dailymotion, Odysee and lots of others.
I subscribe to some people on PeerTube and Dailymotion (only news orgs) alongside my Youtube subs, so that I am not only relying on YouTube
I do, but the desktop version is still barebones compared to FreeTube or the Odysee webpage. It's great on mobile, though!
And as for Peertube, I guess part of the problem is that it doesn't feel as connected as other Fediverse services seem to feel. Not sure why, it just feels really disjointed to me.
I don't think PeerTube will take a significant market share or become a lot more popular until it gets some sort of monetization scheme in place. Maybe if bandwidth for 1080p is basically free in 10-20 years.
Just a friendly headsup about Odysee. You are probably aware already and are selecting content carefully based on this, but Odysee hosts a lot of content that is considered disinformation, hate speech, far-right etc.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odysee -> Moderation.
Joined PeerTube last month and have had great success with it in terms of as a platform and place to share art / content, though of course the views have been low.
I'm sure there is a megathread elsewhere but would love to see an acceleration of folks adopting the Fediverse. My talking point has been to sort of sell Fediverse alternatives (Lemmy, Pixelfed, Mastodon) as superior to other big tech alternatives out there (such as BlueSky and Flashes). We are either at the vanguard of a mass migration or just migrating while no one else is intending to, which I guess amounts to the same thing!
Linux is finally becoming mainstream. I love it.
That's kinda true, but what does that have to do with the comment you replied to?
It is related to the increased calls to encourage the adoption of free and open source software, which are alternatives to corporate products. 🙂
If any of the top 500 youtube channels joined peertube, things would surely change. Unfortunately a few of those have started their own video platforms e.g Mr Beast has his own.
I'm sure if a few of the top youtube channels of the biggest countries joined peertube that would also give an important push to peertube.