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Essen's mayor Thomas Kufen (CDU) reacts with horror to a demonstration in his city on Friday evening. 3,000 people, including many Islamists, marched through the Ruhr metropolis.

Essen's mayor Thomas Kufen (CDU) reacted with outrage and incomprehension to an anti-Israel demonstration that marched through the Ruhr metropolis on Friday evening. Several of the approximately 3,000 participants chanted slogans and held up posters calling for a "Khilafah" (caliphate) in Germany. The three-hour procession on the edge of the city center was accompanied by 450 police officers and observed by state security.

According to the Essen police, the demonstration was registered by a private individual. However, the main organizer was apparently the “Generation Islam” group, which security experts consider to be part of the pan-Islamist movement “Hizb ut-Tahrir” (HuT) . HuT has been banned in Germany since 2003. The main speaker at the final rally in Essen was the activist Ahmad Tamim, the head of “Generation Islam.” The Islamic scholar Ahmad Omeirate told WAZ that Tamim was “using the Middle East conflict for mobilization and radicalization.”

Mayor Kufen regretted on Saturday morning that "Islamists, anti-democrats and Jew-haters" were allowed to parade through Essen protected by the freedom of assembly guaranteed by the Basic Law: "That is difficult to bear." The CDU politician, who was the North Rhine-Westphalia state government's integration officer from 2005 to 2010, called for consequences: "The Office for the Protection of the Constitution must take a closer look at Hizb ut-Tahrir's splinter and successor groups. Bans must be an option."

The demonstrators shouted slogans in Arabic and German on Friday evening. Posters condemned the Israeli military operation in Gaza ("Stop the genocide") after the terrorist attack by the Palestinian Hamas, and one sign read: "German raison d'état calls for the killing of children." The organizers initially used loudspeakers to remind people of the police requirement that no participant should question Israel's right to exist. The tip-off was met with loud boos from the crowd.

At the beginning of the march, participants were also asked over loudspeakers to separate men and women. So it happened that most of the female demonstrators marched through the city behind the male participants. They repeatedly shouted "Allahu akbar" ("God is great") and held up signs calling for the unity of all Muslim believers and the establishment of a caliphate in Germany. Individual demonstrators stuck their right index fingers in the air; This gesture is intended to symbolize belief in the "one God", but is also seen as a symbol of the terrorist organization "Islamic State". The design of several black and white banners and flags also resembled depictions of IS.

The Essen police announced on Saturday that they would subsequently analyze the Friday demonstration and examine its “criminal relevance”. It turned out that the motive for a pro-Palestine meeting was only a pretext. Instead, the organizers held a religious event.

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[-] anteaters@feddit.de 41 points 1 year ago

The more I see who is "protesting" for Palestine the more I understand why Israel and Egypt are doing what they are doing.

[-] letmesleep@feddit.de 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's plenty of survey data. It's a sad reality that a large part, likely the majority of the adult population, in Gaza is staunchly fascist. And I don't mean post-fascist or right-wing-populist like Trump and Le Pen are, I mean fascist in the sense that Hitler and Mussolini were.

Some numbers:

I would get less worrisome poll results if I went to a KKK rally.

Given how popular violence against fascists is in the feddiverse, I'm really vexed about the side that is taken here. Usually I have to remind people that just killing fascists on sight isn't a good solution to the problem of fascism, but suddenly people here sound like Trump did on the Charlottesville rally.

[-] S_204@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Seeing people openly supporting Islamic jihadism like we're seeing, not even one generation removed from 9/11 is so crazy to me.

Social Media is a damned virus. It's fucking up far too many people for society to not fall apart at the seams. From supporting someone like Trump, to not believing in the science around COVID, to now supporting Hamas..... like wtf is happening in the world.

[-] letmesleep@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago

Not a fan of social media either, but in large parts it's merely showing what was already there.

The interesting thing is that in many Muslim majority countries currently experience a historic decline in religiosity. Young people In Iraq, Iran and Northern Africa tend to be worlds less religious than their parents generation. Outside Palestine more and more people seem to get that religious fanatics bring nothing but trouble. Unless the conflicts in the middle east escalate we stand a good chance that Islamism will be a fringe ideology there in the second half of the century. Hence I'm still cautiously optimistic that things will sort itself out.

[-] Mrkawfee@feddit.uk 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The protests for Palestine in London have been a cross section of the left and centre left. Muslims, Jews, Christians Socialists, liberals. White and black. Young and old. But our politicians and media paint them as pro Hamas hate marches.

[-] catboss@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago

Throwing everyone in one bucket is a terrible idea.

I also hate the apartheid shit going in and around Israel as well es the war crimes commited by their government and military. At the same time I hate antisemitism equally as much.

The people who marched on this "protest" are just awful, hateful and terribly dumb people who deserve no support and all the criticism. But not everyone protesting because of the current situation with Israel is therefore automatically doing it for awful reasons.

[-] taladar@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Throwing everyone in one bucket is a terrible idea.

I also don't see how it helps analyse and prevent the causes of these antisemitic feelings in any of the groups. Though it often feels like nobody is even really trying to seriously prevent it anyway, especially not the people complaining the loudest about antisemitism.

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[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

If you read the article you would see that it is merely used as a pretext. As Germany initially banned all demonstrations in support for Palestinians it is no suprise that extremist groups could undermine the cause, as moderates werent willing to get beaten up by cops.

This is an expected effect that was deliberately caused by the German government. They full well knew before that banning moderate demonstrations will lead to radicals taking over. And it seems to be part of a strategy to rile up hate for muslims in general in conjunction with plans to step up deportations and limit access to refugee granted under human rights.

[-] anteaters@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Now that's a fun conspiracy theory to completely ignore the kind of people who protest against Israel.

And no one gets "beaten up" by the police at these protests. In fact the police had to establish protected zones for journalists to shield them from the "peace" protestors.

[-] fr0g@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

Now that's a fun conspiracy theory to completely ignore the kind of people who protest against Israel.

Like leftist Jews for example? There definitely a lot lf awful people protesting for Palestine at the moment. But to imply that it's only one group or another and generally isn't a super diverse group isn't helpful either. The US just had the biggest anti-war protest since the Bush era.

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[-] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is disinformation, Germany did not ban all pro Palestinian protests.

[-] federalreverse@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The tone in mainstream media and from leading politicians at the very least strongly discourages any pro-Palestine demonstrations. But you're right insofar as explicit bans only came down on two organisations, one of them being "Hamas" itself (which I think doesn't really exist in Germany anyway).

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[-] albert180@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago

Please note, as posts related to the current conflict between Israel and Hamas are leading to many hateful comments or posts in violation of the server rules: You need to stay in scope of the Server Rules, it’s also unacceptable to deny the right of Existence of Israel, post antisemitic and/or racist stuff, In Germany it’s also a criminal offence to endorse or approve criminal offenses. If there are many comments here that violate the server rules, the post will be locked until all comments got moderated.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 10 points 1 year ago

Several of the approximately 3,000 participants chanted slogans and held up posters calling for a "Khilafah" (caliphate) in Germany.

I'm not actually sure that one can do that without hitting conflict with Germany's Basic Law.

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[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago
[-] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 4 points 1 year ago

Waiting for the next German elections.

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