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[–] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world 92 points 1 year ago (3 children)

For all those people who like to say "HaMaS iS UsInG HuMan ShIelDs" why is bombing a hospital with civilians in it and killing civilians acceptable losses? If you need to completely scorch earth to kill 20-30 people then something is seriously wrong in strategy/equipment or personnel. Unless wiping out civilians is the point of the strategy.

[–] dnick@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Narrator: It is the point of the strategy

[–] stella@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Does that mean Israel is justified in bombing thousands of children because a few militants may be among them?

[–] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe the point they were making is that whatever excuses Israel comes up with to justify this massacre is just that: excuses.

[–] Sparlock@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea the excuse is that if a single Hamas is potentially existent in Gaza that justifies the any and all civilian death.

It amazes me how the Pro-Israel crowd doesn't see how they have become the monster they ran from a few decades ago.

PS:For the slow ones I mean they have become modern Nazis through their rhetoric and actions. I don't even see how it is debatable at this point.

[–] stella@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Just like the Nazis, they see it but won't admit it. That's how shitty they are.

Zionism is religious nationalism, so it's no surprise Israel is full of right-wing nutjobs.

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[–] noevidenz@infosec.pub 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Would Israel take the same approach if Hamas was hiding in an Israeli hospital?

[–] snek@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

There are cases where Israel just goes in to kill the hostages and the hostagers just the same. Hannibal detective and all that.

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[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Fuck the IDF. How anyone can suggest that they are "morally right" to do what they are doing is just as monstrous and cold-hearted.

1,400 people died in the Hamas attack. Over 10,000 people have died SO FAR in the Israeli attacks - almost half of which are children. Israel has one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world thanks to the U.S. Let that sink in for a moment....they have one of THE. MOST. ADVANCED. MILITARIES. On the entire fucking planet. If they wanted to, they could avoid these casualties....but they don't. This is purposeful.

[–] dnick@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

‘But we told the pediatric hospital we were going to bomb them. All those children should have gone somewhere else’ - Israel (probably)

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[–] Sparlock@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The 10000 number is almost certainly an undercount. THere is no way to know how many people are buried under the rubble of entire communities that have been flattened when the means to move that rubble is non-existent in Gaza. And if you did get some heavy equipment out there how long do you think it would be before the IOF saw Hamas hiding under the excavator and dropped a bomb on it?

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[–] satan@r.nf 2 points 1 year ago

How anyone can suggest that they are "morally right" to do what they are doing is just as monstrous and cold-hearted

Visit r/worldnews and see for yourself

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[–] generalpotato@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

My heart just sank reading the headline… fuck.

Fuck Biden and the rest of the US congress. Bunch of spineless assholes and cowards.

What father/brother/kid isn’t going to join Hamas if they lose their families to these unforgivable acts.

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I, for one, support this bombing.

Those babies didn't denounce Hamas enough before they bled to death. All they did was cry.

Just shameless.

/s (because last time I did this, people took it seriously)

[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's only because there are legit lunatics out there saying the same thing but without sarcasm.

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

You mean spokesmen for the IDF?

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Don’t let it overwhelm you. There’s only so much we can do. I posted a story last week of a 3 year old girl that died with her father, in his arm. Just surreal. Vote. Write your Congressman. Love your family and friends. That’s all we can do.

[–] SecretSauces@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Voting is great and all, but we literally have the choice between the guy helping fund these atrocities, and the guy trying to destroy democracy.

Just vote third party? That's just a throw away vote for one party. THIS is the problem with a two-party system.

Unfortunately, there are too many major hurdles to go over (two party system, electoral college, gerrymandering, lobbying, just to name a few) before we even have a chance at something resembling justice, here or abroad.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

At least you’re asking the correct questions. Let us know if you find the correct answers. Because I don’t have any. Organize, communicate, stay informed?

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

All of those issues go away if we switch to ranked choice voting. Literally all of them. One change and we're free of this horrible corprotocracy/oligarchy.

Which is why it will never happen, sadly. The wealthy will lose all their influence and power in a single change. They'll "scorched earth" this shit before they let that happen.

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[–] generalpotato@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

That’s what I’ve been telling my friends and myself but hard to keep perspective when my congressman went to Israel to “show support for Israel’s defense” and not a single thought or word to these dead kids.

Thanks for the kind words though.

[–] KnowledgeableNip@leminal.space 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A friend called our congressman and his office told him to talk to Hamas.

Shitty remarks from a Republican bastard, but also interesting to have their 'official' stance be for their constituents to consort with terrorists.

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[–] Captain_Patchy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you think that Biden has ANY control over Netanyahu, you are as stupid as any common MAGAot.

The ONLY thing that will reign in Netanyahu is the US suspending funding and that will NEVER happen as long as the US MAGA/evangelical right wing believes that funding the destruction of Palestine will FINALLY to bring about the Armageddon they are so anxious to have happen.

Perhaps, Just Perhaps, we should STOP letting people that want to bring about the end of the world (which according to the bible, "no man can cause or predict") be in charge of ANYTHING AT ALL that affects anyone but themselves?

[–] generalpotato@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The irony of you calling me “stupid” without understanding how an elected President, admin and political party can influence domestic and foreign policy….

Lol.

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[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Oh my god. This is just pure evil. You could have Mecha Hitler in the hospital basement and it would still be completely wrong.

[–] BreakDecks@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

They made a video game about this.

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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's looking more and more like a policy of genocide, whatever the politicians say.

[–] Sparlock@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Genocide is any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    (a) Killing members of the group;
    (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Sure seems like Israel is trying to get a full bingo card on this one.

[–] Sooperstition@lemmy.one 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IsRaEl HaS a RiGhT tO dEfEnD iTsElF

[–] cuibono@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Those sick kids were coming right at them dude!

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[–] Danakin@feddit.de 10 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Man, why can't Israel just be the normal, good guy in this. They're just as bad as the other side.

[–] nammi@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

just as? how many pediatric hospitals have the other side deliberately bombed?

[–] Danakin@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Certainly not for the lack of trying. It's just that the iron dome is protecting those hospitals on Israel's side. It shoots down dozens if not hundreds of rockets shot by Hamas daily, some sources say 7000+ since October 7th, which are aimed at who knows what kind of targets.

Just because Israel is a (, not the,) bad guy in this war doesn't mean Hamas are any less evil.

[–] nammi@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I’m not trying to say Hamas is not evil, but equating the terrorist attacks on October 7th with IDF’s intentional bombing of hospitals, schools, killing 4000 children doesn’t, and shouldn’t be sound mathemathics in my mind. If we do, we are not far from the people who let the Holocaust happen.

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[–] DoomBot5@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

At least 1 5 times already since the war started. Look up Barzilai Medical Center in Ashkelon.

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[–] Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

well how many music festivals did the Israelis ride into indiscriminately killing civilians? we could do this all day, enough with your blatant attempt to paint one side as saints while the other is evil.

both of them are the devil and innocent civilians on BOTH sides are paying the price for the bloodthirsty maniacs on BOTH sides

[–] nammi@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think most people would not equate hospitals with music festivals. I hope you don’t either.

They can’t even have festivals when they live in an apartheid regime, under an open-air prison controlled by the other party. Equating this as an equal conflict is unfair and an unjust representation of reality.

[–] Marin_Rider@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think most people would not equate hospitals with music festivals. I hope you don’t either.

ive seen some shit takes but, wow

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[–] krzschlss@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Killing children will surely get them before an international war crime tribunal. Yea? Am I right? They should, shouldn't they? All those scum pilots and the politicians that buy them planes and bombs? Nürnberg could reopen those courtrooms? Or Hague? Aren't they specializing in war crimes? Or are those courtrooms only for the enemies of "democracy©"?

Fuck our democracy if it kills anyone, let alone FOUR THOUSAND (4000) children in ONE (1) MONTH. And fuck our psychopaths in the 'white house', the 'bundestag', the EU parliament, the UK parliament and all other imbeciles who decide that those children are okey to be killed.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

If it doesn't, it should.

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