WomensStuff

We've also, for the last 30 years, raised women to believe in themselves, expect careers, and equal pay while simultaneously telling them that men still have out earn them and be more socially mobile in order to be worthwhile mates. So the men who achieve wealth and social standing are fought over, and there are a lot less of them than in my generation, so their behaviour isn't great and may in fact be worse on average than what we dealt with in the 70s & 80s. Raising sons in the last 30 years has been a minefield. Trying to bring them up to be men that I, as their mother, feel I have done a decent job at, but still have them be successful and socially relevant, has been very difficult. Many of their peer aged women don't appreciate that they can cook & clean and look after themselves and their partner unless they can simultaneously be tall, good looking, and significantly out earn that partner.

Entirely true - men need a more rounded upbringing instead of just being rammed full of machismo and misogyny and calling it a day.

Sexual and romantic repression causes men to have most of the issues they have in regard to society.

Boys and girls are kept separated for the sake of repression.

Religon is primarily responsible for most repression of natural feelings in modern society.

Religion says all human beings are horrible sexual devients who need to be shamed into never interacting with the opposite sex.

Banning organized religon, and the religious indoctrination of children would do more to help men than anything else.

Yeah, I agree. I've said something similar in the past - I think women are raised to be adults by 18, whereas boys are raised to be overgrown tweens by 18, and their parents call it "good enough", leaving the rest of the job to future girlfriends and wives.

It does everybody a disservice, and it perpetuates this idea that girls mature faster than boys. We don't. We're just forced to grow all the way up and boys aren't.

Enby here, can confirm. My parents stopped letting me hang out with the girl across the street when I was 5 because an interest in playing with her dolls was "too feminine" for a "boy" like me.

My stepsisters got to be cheerleaders, I got forced to change high schools between my sophomore and junior years because my friend circle was mostly queer.

Sure, just take it with a pinch of salt.

Anecdotally, I was never raised to be a wife. I'm solidly mediocre at cooking and cleaning, and have zero interest in kids. My husband was raised by lesbians and is a wonderful partner. He loves to tell people that he taught me how to do laundry.

I think its true. Girls are expected to clean do laundry cook, look out for other peoples feelings etc. For boys that is often not the case.

My boyfriend has a saying he's been pulling out a lot: we raise our daughters and love our sons

We raised girls to be strong women. We didn't raise the boys to be allies.

By and large I think that's troubling in its accuracy. I'm glad I wasn't brought up "traditionally", but even despite my parentals (well, OK, my father) trying explicitly to bring me up to be self-assured and happy with myself, society at large puts all kinds of tremendous pressure, both overt and subtle, to conform to predecided roles.

(Hell, even my being in marketing was likely one of those covert pressures.)

I wouldn't really know, my father was basically not involved in me or my brothers childhood and my mother was emotionally absent.