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Jacob Chansley, sentenced to three years for his role in the Capitol riots, will run as a libertarian in Arizona.

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[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 171 points 1 year ago

The 14th Amendment disqualifies him.

[-] procrastitron@lemmy.world 141 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It only applies if he took an oath to uphold the constitution prior to committing the treason.

I.E. government officials and ex military personnel who took place in the Jan 6 riots would be disqualified, but not every random yahoo that was there.

EDIT: Others have pointed out that he is ex-military, so it looks like the 14th amendment does apply to him after all.

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[-] nocturne213@lemm.ee 120 points 1 year ago

will run as a libertarian in Arizona

Neither of these surprises me.

[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 63 points 1 year ago

Libertarians are just Republicans in disguise

[-] halferect@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Libertarians are even worse, they are like anarchist Republicans. Slamming two dumb political ideas into one really dumb political idea and acting like they are very smart about it.

[-] Fester@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

Republicans have to deal with being constantly proven wrong on everything, but Libertarians enjoy that their fantasy ideology will never be tested in the real world. That makes them feel immune to obvious criticisms, and therefore “very smart.”

[-] halferect@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

They did test it and it failed completely. A book was written about it. A libertarian walks into a bear. So you can point and laugh at libertarians any time you want

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[-] fubo@lemmy.world 108 points 1 year ago

Jacob Chansley can eat a whole cauldron of gently boiled dicks.

[-] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

He's vegan or something. Remember how butthurt he was in prison because the food wasn't up to his standards?

White people, man...

[-] modifier@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

I hope that, once a year, at the most inopportune possible time of that year, he shits himself loudly and thoroughly. For all the years of his life.

[-] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Is this like, an ordeal you think he should go through, or are you saying that you know for a fact, that this man can slurp down a whole caludron of al-dente dicks?

[-] rob64@startrek.website 3 points 1 year ago

Don't forget to let the dicks rest for a few minutes before serving.

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[-] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago

Good deal. Let him siphon off the republican vote.

[-] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Gee, let me think about it. According to this article he may be uniquely suited to run as a Republican.

In an interview, defense lawyer Albert Watkins said that officials at the federal Bureau of Prisons, or BOP, have diagnosed his client Jacob Chansley with transient schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression and anxiety.

If you throw in a low IQ, he'll do well with Republican voters.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 37 points 1 year ago

Felons can't run for office

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I'm pretty sure they can and do.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In 2016, the libertarian convention had a guy strip to his underwear on stage. At the convention debate, one of the candidates was boo'd for saying you shouldn't be able to sell heroin to five year olds.

The QAnon Shaman isn't the craziest thing in the Libertarian Party. They are not serious people.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

will run as a libertarian in Arizona.

Well at least we won't have to worry about him winning.

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[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 30 points 1 year ago
[-] Uglyhead@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago

If you’re part of an insurrection, you shouldn’t be able to run for any public office anywhere.

If Germany would have had this same rule/law the whole world in this timeline would look completely different.

[-] Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

Hey look, you could theoretically identify as an anarchist, and have constructive ideas about how a government system could be improved

[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 19 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately, yeah. Can’t vote but can be voted into office.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

No he can’t. Jan 6 was an insurrection. He’s absolutely ineligible

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

No. He's ex-military, 14th amendment applies.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same...

He took an oath as a member of the military, he also took part in insurrection.

From the court documents:

The crimes charged in the indictment involve active participation in an insurrection attempting to violently overthrow the United States Government. By Chansley’s own admissions to the FBI and news media, the insurrection is still in progress and he intends to continue participating.

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

You and I might agree that it applies, but how much do you want to bet that some Trump appointed judges decide that it doesn't apply and kill any effort to remove him from the ballot?

[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 6 points 1 year ago

Ya’ll keep saying these things like I don’t already know, but regardless of what the 14th amendment says, or his military background, ultimately that determination will be made by a court decision, because if nothing else he will sue the state if they choose to take him off the ballot. I didn’t make the rules, or the legal system.

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[-] uphillbothways@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

As much as I want to say no, to my knowledge he technically hadn't "previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States" so I think he'd be eligible under Amendment 14, Section 3, article 1... quoted here in full:

Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Though, he had previously been in the US Navy, and the Navy oath of enlistment begins ""I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic....," he was not even an officer in the Navy let alone in a legislative, executive or judicial branch position.

Pretty sure he would be eligible to run this time, whereas trump would not.

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[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

This guy is t elligible…. Trump might be able to weasel it, but this guy was an insurrectionist through and through.

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[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 year ago

Getting some "Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho"-vibes from this, lol

[-] throbbing_banjo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

For all his flaws, Camacho at least tried to enlist the help of, and listen to, people he knew were smarter than him. And at the end of the day, he tried to help his people.

This guy just wants to play dress up and smear shit on the walls.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

I feel bad for Jamiroquai that this asshole stole their mascot

[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

He and Bimbert can have a dumb-off for that seat.

[-] AgentOrangesicle@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

He'd best have a good security detail. If anything goes awry, a bunch of Leftists are going to be peacefully asking him pointed questions that might make him uncomfortable.

If you're assuaged to believe that winning means everything, I can't speak for you. It assumes that you start and stay on the same side of any moral argument and you have to fight for it to the end regardless of if new evidence nullifies your opinion.

That's not how humans understand each-other. Humans garner nuance and discern things in new and meaningful ways over time and social interaction. We understand others - people that we can identify with in profound ways even if they don't necessarily share our point of view.

I would give him a moment of our time - maybe 30 seconds if he doesn't state one of the over-used vitriolic statements on the Bingo cards that I will be handing out now.

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[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 7 points 1 year ago

He should be required to wear that costume the entire time on the campaign trail.

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago
[-] mateomaui@reddthat.com 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No argument here. But if he’s out and running, no one should forget what a weirdass goofball he is.

[-] Piecemakers3Dprints@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If only he'd wear it during hunting season, maybe with some female elk piss on it?

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

You'd be more productive sticking a fork in an outlet, Jacob.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Republicans stopped using "cuck" as an insult because the person who epitomizes what they're all about wore horns.

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

What a crazy world we live in.

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