yeah, right. not like the pope knows anything about religion. /s
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It's literally in their Bible... This should just be standard. Not special.
Bible is like the Constitution. Some people don't read it.
Because they'd be atheists if they actually did. The ones who read it and stay Christians are just sociopaths.
It made me a leftist lol.
The old testament is all about a people who keep fucking up by adopting the shitty practices of the people around them, then being shamed into being better for a while. And then the person who called them out dies or leaves... But if they stay they get too comfortable with power and abuse it. Some of them are assholes the whole way through... It's about history and notable figures, it's not aspirational at all
Then the gospels are a how to guide to living under an occupying state.
No temples, we just share meals now. No relics, water is holy now. No leaders, we all serve each other. No money, no stock piles, no rich people - let the tax man have nothing to take. No open resistance to invite a crackdown, instead we're going to just be really, really obnoxious to deal with through third path shit
It worked so well Rome straight up massacred the communes to stop the spread, and it was still spreading underground until Constantine slapped Jesus branding on the Roman religion.
Finally, I'm not sure what Revelations is about, but it has cool imagery
The Bible really hits different when you don't have someone explaining each passage one by one going "oh, that wasn't mutual aid, that was magic"
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Yep. Also Catholic official "recommended ideology of state" was distributivism last time I checked, which is something of a holy mix (can't be unholy mix in this situation) between anarcho-capitalism and anarcho-syndicalism with a conservative touch.
It has its downsides, but the upsides are that limiting immigration, legal inequality, racism and fascism are in theory not allowed there.
(Just in case someone thinks Peter Thiel and such people's ideas are what Catholic church recommends, and they surely want to make such an impression, - no.)
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Jesus’ family were supposedly immigrants and asylum seekers. Priests should step up. So should real christians.
Another argument for renaming the "No True Scotsman" fallacy to "No True Christian" to make it more self-explanatory.
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This is where we find out which faith is stronger, organized religion or the MAGA cult.
The MAGA nuts are Christian nationalist protestants. They think the Pope is the antichrist (literally many of them do).
Mormons too, they’ve been screeching about Armageddon and the antichrist since we elected that black fellow
Which is complete bullshit, a long standing tenant of the Mormon faith was to “follow the laws of the land” but once we started actually making some social progress they started forgetting that more and more and more.
The whispered part of that is that members should run for office; that way they have the power to make laws conform to their ideology. I was surprised by the number of Mormons in Congress. They’re pretty over-represented for the population they represent.
Well, that tenet only came about after all the fraud in NY, being kicked out of multiple Midwest towns for being so obnoxious no one could stand them, landing in UT with the BY in BYU immediately building a house for himself and another for all his wives next door, and Uncle Sam threatening to take away their tax exemption if they don’t allow black people in…THEN eventually god changed his mind
It’s always been “follow the law of the land, unless god tells you different then go ahead but don’t tip off the feds”
There have been a few shows/movies recently that have kind of explored this time and place in US history, and it's some really interesting shit. Mormon militias and what not.
Yet many Catholics voted in line with the MAGA nuts, purely on abortion. The American Catholic Church has turned abortion into its defining political litmus test. Hopefully this new Pope can convince American bishops that there are other issues worth their attention.
Besides, the folks who run the US right now always need an enemy. Once they run through the immigrants, and LGBT people, who's next? It's entirely possible these christofascists start ostracizing Catholics. They never liked them anyway, they just liked their votes, and they probably think they won't need votes anymore to keep in power.
My fucking parents voted for this asshole because of abortion. I yell at them about how many these fascists have already killed. Stopping aids aid from USAID alone is going to kill thousands (millions?).
Western Christians haven't cared about their religion for at least a century, probably more. Bets on MAGA.
If you're following Maga you've long since started zany rationalization of your Christianity. Trump is an absolute caricature of the anti-christ incarnate. It's absolutely laughable. This will not break the hippocrates.
How many Americans are catholics though? (And how many of those are hispanics anyways?)
It's easy to ignore the pope, when he's not even part of your denomination.
Please refer to this terribly colored pie chart for your answer.
It was more of a rhethorical question and I wanted to imply, that it's not a significant number. But data (even if it's somewhat poorly presented) is always appreciated.
I'm surprised to see that there are more catholics than I'd have guessed and one could argue that the pope is a religious icon whose word matters to many even if they're not part of his specific denomination.
But on the other hand, a lot of people who represent as catholics may have been raised catholic but we don't know how much of a role that plays in their life and their political views or how much they really follow religious authority. I was raised catholic myself and for loads of people who are part of that church, the word of the pope isn't really their law to live by.
And then there's also cognitive dissonance, that I imagine to play a big role with MAGA-hats.
All in all, I'd say the pope's influence is fairly limited there.
At least the chart is in legend order, I guess.
The Pope isn't the American Christian icon you'd think. JFK was Catholic and it was a big deal.
American Christianity is dozens and dozens of sects and styles and flavors. Overall they roughly disrespect and respect the Pope about the same, he's irrelevant really.
Modern American fascism has been claiming catholicism, see Vance. This is big for that reason. That and catholicism being the largest individual branch of Christianity in America
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It'd be better if Pope Leo deputized and trained additional Vatican Guards and deployed them at various locations. Also a priest.
Swiss Guards are active duty Swiss military iirc. Deployng them could be... Problematic on many levels.
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😂 🤣
'People of Faith Stand with Immigrants'
Yeah, I don't think "people of faith", at least the more conservative ones, are going to be taking that lesson very seriously... Good luck changing their mindset.
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Evangelicals are not, but there are progressives within the ranks of christianity. The actual message of the new testament is down right socialist.
Jesus died a pacifistic anarchist at the very least
Pacifist yes — definitely not an anarchist. He instructed his followers to obey all laws in all situations that didn’t conflict with loving God and loving other people. However, he despised “tradition” and flaunted it constantly.
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