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[–] psud@aussie.zone 4 points 3 hours ago

Remember there's the neutral axis

Some are chaotic neutral. They're not out to wreck stuff, they just don't care if they do

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 31 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 0 points 9 minutes ago

Still evil.

[–] Owlboi@lemm.ee 20 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

unless by lawful you mean they manipulate the law however they please with their money and connections, then no.

[–] HereIAm@lemmy.world 2 points 51 minutes ago

That's the entire schtick of lawful evil. Manipulation, extortion, background deals, and all that.

[–] Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago

You miss the point of the law

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 64 points 12 hours ago (2 children)
[–] hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 49 minutes ago

I guess it’s meant to say the law is whatever they say it is.

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 35 points 11 hours ago

Yeah, there is a convicted felon and an illegal immigrant right there.

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 34 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I'd put Trump and Musk into 'chaotic'

Definitely evil though.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 hours ago

No need to describe them in any way but just ...

Evil

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 42 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Hahahahaha Hahaha haha "Lawful"

[–] Redex68@lemmy.world 40 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Trump is more Chaotic Evil

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 19 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Facts. D&D defines the chaotic/lawful divide as whether or not the character abides by a code, ethos, or set of rules. So not "Law" in the "Legal Eagle Law Team" kind of way. Chaotic Evil characters don't really play by any rules, are unpredictable, and are just plain the worst.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 10 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Sounds like all of them.

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 12 hours ago

It's why he's not a billionaire. Zing!

[–] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 65 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Fun fact none of them are lawful

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 29 points 14 hours ago

They paid congress a lot of money to say that they actually are lawfull

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 19 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

In the d&d alignment chart they are because capitalists have no inherent power outside of the laws that enforce their property. Devils in D&D will always break the rules(and rebel) if they think they can get away with it.

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

Huh? Devils are the corporate "trap you in fineprint and kill you with subclauses" type of evil. They are the ones who sell you the monkey's paw and come to collect your soul no matter how it shakes out. Catching them in airtight clauses (or narrow loopholes) is famously how you screw over devils.

[–] laserm@lemmy.world 21 points 12 hours ago

Nah, don't forget that DJT is a convicted felon.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 207 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

Trump is a felon, so I am not sure "lawful" is the best fit.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 76 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

The lawful/chaotic axis represents a person's willingness to follow an external set of rules against their own instincts or opinions. Having a pocket judge or a pocket president to legitimize one's actions does not make that person lawful.

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 47 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Trump isn't a felon... He's a multi-felon.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 39 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (7 children)

Also ~~a convicted rapist~~ found responsible in a civil rape trial.

Pedants.

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[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 35 points 16 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Laser@feddit.org 32 points 16 hours ago

As in can dictate law

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 16 points 14 hours ago

As in “full of law”

Like, just jam-packed stuffed to the gills with law, to the point where they vomit law out into the world and we all boil to death slowly in their law-infused stomach acid

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 80 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

A couple of them might be chaotic.

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[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 6 points 12 hours ago

Thiel is so evil he doesn't even fit this chart.

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

Bill does some genuinely good stuff. I'm sure he does some bad stuff too though.

[–] baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 15 hours ago

there's a book about that, "no such thing as a free gift: the gates foundation and the price of philanthropy"

[–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It's actually pretty interesting some of the effects his philanthropic efforts have had.

I think the bottom line is that billionaires shouldn't exist, all said and done.

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 14 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

billionaires shouldn't exist, all said and done.

Absolutely agreed.

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[–] then_three_more@lemmy.world 15 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Now he's got his he is. In the 80-00 he was as nasty a fucker as all the rest are now.

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

This only counts because they use their money to make their lives "lawful" through legislation and capture of the courts, minimizing their very real crimes against humanity.

Okay perhaps Buffett, Gates, and Cook haven't gone as far as actual crimes against humanity but the rest have, and Buffett, Gates, and Cook are still unlawful but used their money to twist the laws in their favor.

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