To be honest, I think we should just switch to using "queer" at this point. The Q covers everything. In fact we could just use the letter Q and be like on star trek.
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It still makes me uncomfortable as an old fart Gen Xer from back when it was almost exclusively used as a slur, but I recognize it's been reclaimed. It's just a hard association to break.
I just use LGBT+ since it was LGBT for a long time (it was GLBT but the Ls earned their place at the front during the AIDS crisis) then it became LGBTQ, then a bunch of other letters were added while the community was recognizing is profound variety before it turned into LGBTQ+
Q+ has a nice ring to it, but since I'm an unusual form of NB, I fit squarely into the catch-all variety of Q.
I automatically say LGBTQ if I'm not just specifying which one I'm talking about. I guess that's what got codified in my head before the plus become commonplace.
I always thought I was regular ol' cis until recently, but when I thought about it I realized I didn't really care about my gender identity and just used he/him because it's what I was born as and didn't have any problem with it. Apagender, I've seen it called. I've seen some are also fine with it/its, but I find those dehumanizing.
Five letters is fine, but I'm not subscribed to the new's letter for knowing what all the add-ons to it mean. It never changes anything for me to know anyway. Just treat people with dignity. "Queer" should be fine at this point for casual use.
In my daily dealings with fellow queers™, I find most people say "LGBT" in casual speech instead of other variations of the acronym, occasionally adding the "Q", but I've never heard somebody casually drop a "LGBTQIA+." I think we all know that LGBT is inclusive; that, or there's a silent ellipsis at the end.
I think part of it is that a lot of straight people who are allies but not as familiar with the queer community feel strange about using the word queer, thinking that it's a reclaimed slur that they wouldn't be allowed to say if they aren't themselves queer. They don't realize that the queer community has collectively decided that no "pass" is needed for the word queer.
Canada uses 2SLGBTQIA+, https://www.canada.ca/en/women-gender-equality/free-to-be-me/2slgbtqi-plus-glossary.html
I met someone in a dream last night named Fobertleigh. There is no point to this, The post just reminded me of it.
This sounds like the NPC I make up on the spot when the players ask the guard their name
Pick a name and use it for every guard, except switch the first consonant every time.
They will get a kick out of it a few times, and then slowly learn that there's no point in asking the guard's name.
Lambert, Hambert, Tambert, Kambert, and Dambert all come from a long lineage of esteemed city guards :)
That's kinda neat. Out of curiosity did they tell you their name in the dream or did you just sort of know it?
They told me. I was at work and introducing myself to someone new. Looking back now, I think it was a girl I went to highschool with but her name most certainly wasn't Fobertleigh back then.
I like to think this was your brain trying really really hard to remember her name too. Put her right in front of you in the dream and just cobbled together whatever sound clicked when all your neurons tried to focus on her at once. Brains are so silly
"Just call me Fob"
not very active yet unfortunately but it was more of a hit than one would think on reddit
I think Sigurd Felix Wolfgang Atreides has some very rich parents.
"The terms pansexual, omnisexual, fluid and queer-identified are regarded as falling under the umbrella term bisexual (and therefore are considered a part of the bisexual community). Some use LGBT+ to mean "LGBT and related communities".[29] Other variants may have a "U" for "unsure"; a "C" for "curious"; another "T" for "transvestite"; a "TS", "2S", or "2" for "two-spirit" persons; or an "SA" for "straight allies".[48][49][50][51][52] The inclusion of straight allies in the LGBT initialism has proven controversial, as many straight allies have been accused of using LGBT advocacy to gain popularity and status in recent years,[53] and various LGBT activists have criticised the heteronormative worldview of certain straight allies.[54] Some may also add a "P" for "polyamorous" or "pangender", an "H" for "HIV-affected", or an "O" for "other".[14][55] The initialism LGBTIH has seen use in India to encompass the hijra third gender identity and the related subculture.[56][57]"
Only Anglo-Saxons can make not being straight an overly structured and semantically confusing endeavour, lol. 🤷
as a member of the letter gang, can we just call ourselves the letter gang and be done with it?
Short and badass... I'd sign the petition. 😅
I propose it should be changed to PFQ: "Pretty. Fucking. Queer." 🏳️🌈
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There are straight trans people in the LGBT community. It's not as simple as "not straight".
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I usually only hear LGBTQIA+ which has the I for intersex and the A Aro/Ace spectrum. The Q is just queer which is a an umbrella term for everything. I don't really see the issue with others though, I also wouldn't know how to make it less complicated in any language. Describing oneself as straight is just comparatively easy as it one thing rather than every other sexuality + also gender stuff. Being homosexual is also just one word and no more difficult.
I think the point is that the classification into discrete categories is kind of contrary to the point of queerness.
I don't really see how you got that from the comment but that would be a good point.
Yeah im probably reading too much into it.
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If "queer" is an umbrella term then why wouldn't the whole community just be referred to as such?
Similarly, I'm not 100% sure about this but afaik the + got commonly added before the IA, and I really dislike adding anything specific after a generalized "everyone who feels part of it" because doing that delegitimizes that the + actually means everyone. Though it also does suck if people feel excluded otherwise.
I've seen queer used to refer to the whole community though, but I think LGBT(+whichever addendums) has just been around for so long it's most people's goto, plus "queer" used to be a slur.
In my head it's just "people not conforming to the majority group for sex or gender related reasons" and then I write whatever my brain decides is the term in that moment. Usually LGBTQ+.
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As a way to simplify, I’ve always like GSM: Gender and Sexual Minorities. Seems to encompass everything without prioritizing any of the letters, and doesn’t require choosing an arbitrary stop point for which letters to list or not list.
My nerdy ass brain was like "how in the Windows environment can someone like GSM" and then I continued reading…
Interesting that Q essntially fills up for every other character in the initialism, incluing the + which essenially acts as an etc. to said initialism. One can pretty much choose and pick which letters to use when crafting their usage of an initialism, and which letters to hide in the +. One could call it the LBT+ community, or the L+, or T+. Or B+. Or just call it + for maximum efficiency. Or you could just call it the Q community, as Q encompasses everything else. What some otherwise call the Queer community
Edit: I am no expert. Let the gays correct me if needed be
A big downside to that is that queer was originally insult and some people have negative associations with it and therefore avoid it and might not want to be categorized as such I have heard the "queer community" be used especially in spoken language. The letters LGBT have also been around for a while so it would be weird to get rid of them now.
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Only Anglo-Saxons can make not being straight an overly structured and semantically confusing endeavour, lol. 🤷
Except the thing about India at the end of your quote...
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Omg, is that Matt Bernstein??!!
Yup. Matt's great. Love the podcast.
Welsh?
I actually love when a new overspelled name comes out. It gives me more fuel for when I screw up peoples names from the short form. Jessleigh, Jessifer, Jessbinder, Jessolomew, etc.
It feels to me that at some point, we will just need to do away with all categories. At what point does it stop being useful to keep putting labels on points on a possibly infinite spectrum?
Would it be better to just push for acceptance in all forms? Forget the labels and just be yourself and accept others for who they are? (Barring, of course, people who are evil or criminal, etc)
My personal experience has been one of:i am unsure of my sexuality and unsure of my gender. Eventually, i decided that I wouldn't focus on what gender or sexuality i am since i dont fit into the main categories. i will just be my own category and enjoy my life the way i want to live it.
I know who i am, and i know what i am. I dont need a label to feel secure about that.
Man was enough, and straight was enough to make things easier for me and others. even though i am not quite man and not quite straight. I fit nicely into neither category, but both are close enough that i am content to just say that rather than have to explain myself to everyone i meet.
Anyone who knows me or gets to know me will know who and what i am eventually.
People use labels to get information quickly as a form of vetting.
"You're not... a republican, are you?"
"Oh, hell no!"
"Oh good!"
Now they can let their guard down and be friends. Without labels, determining they are talking to a decent person takes much longer.
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