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Trump loses bid for mistrial in New York fraud case (www.the-independent.com)

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Judge Engoron shoots down ‘nonsensical’ arguments and ‘disingenuous’ and ‘bad faith’ statements

The New York judge overseeing Donald Trump’s civil trial for fraud allegations has rejected a motion from the former president’s attorneys for a mistrial.

A filing from attorneys for Mr Trump and his co-defendants argued that the case was “tainted” with “tangible and overwhelming” evidence of “apparent and actual bias” from Judge Arthur Engoron and his chief clerk, who has been the subject of ongoing attacks from Mr Trump and his allies, which prompted the judge to issue a gag order in the case that prevented parties from disparaging court staff.

In his order on Friday, Judge Engoron shot down “nonsensical” legal arguments from Mr Trump’s legal team involving his clerk, and underscored his “unfettered right” to consult with his law clerks throughout the course of a trial.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago

Whatever snail slime-based makeup he uses now is gross.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

that's a natural slime... he just kind of oozes it out, and hasn't been keeping up with his skincare regime. Depression, you know?

[-] thefartographer@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Skincare? I thought he just blasted his plugs and face in an autoclave

[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Been inspecting those UVC disinfectant bulbs too closely.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Don’t judge, autoclaves are really the only way to break the slime down!

[-] kool_newt@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago

His face looks like a failed rimjob.

[-] massive_bereavement@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

He looks like a rotting pumpkin

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago

Happy Friday everyone!

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 19 points 1 year ago

Well, at least that was quick.

[-] skeezix@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

When it comes to assholery, trump is a Bozart.

[-] gullible@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

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https://www.italianjewelryfashionbeautyitalyinthegulfcountries.com/

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 6 points 1 year ago

Not as long, but reminds me of this internet gem.

https://zombo.com/

(Here's the history, for anyone unaware)

[-] rmuk@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago

Holy shit! I remember that site as one of the casualties of the death of Flash, like Homestar Runner. Good to see it's back in HTML5 glory, like Homestar Runner.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago

There's a new Homestar Halloween toon, if you haven't seen it yet.

https://youtu.be/G_7O-ZiR34k

[+] solowolf@kbin.social -114 points 1 year ago

I'm still wonder who did he defraud and who was the victim's ?

[-] WarmSoda@lemm.ee 66 points 1 year ago

You should probably read into the case then.

[-] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

He defrauded the banks, who would have charged higher interest - and thus collected more money from Trump - if they were told the truth about how little he was worth.

[-] UnspecificGravity@discuss.tchncs.de 50 points 1 year ago

It's hilarious watching Trumpers briefly turn into socialists when they try to argue that crimes against banks aren't real crimes.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 40 points 1 year ago

You're going to have to explain your thought process to me.

Do you really thing that The DA, the judge, and the whole court system created this issue out of nothing? And that none of Donnie's lawyers would think to point that out?

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

They've been claiming just that. Shouting it out from the rooftops. Unfortunately or rather fortunately, there was never any evidence of this. Just evidence of their guilt. But that's the thing. Their supporters don't care and won't look into it. Just assuming that what their heroes say is true and that somehow the world is colluding against them. Because it surely couldn't be just that they are an asshole and wrong.

[-] Drusas@kbin.social 39 points 1 year ago

Banks/lenders mostly.

[-] Chef@sh.itjust.works 78 points 1 year ago

Both the banks AND the people of New York.

He would over inflate the value of the properties in order to take out massive loans using the properties as collateral. So when it came to financing, his properties were cited as being extremely valuable. These lies defrauded the banks and lenders.

Then when it came time to pay taxes on the properties, he would massively deflate the values so he paid a fraction of the taxes on them. These lies defrauded the people of New York State as the beneficiaries of state taxation.

That’s who he defrauded (in this particular lawsuit.)

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 28 points 1 year ago

And to extend this point, submitting false statements of financial condition is fraud against the People of the State of New York, with disregard as to whether anyone lost money.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 15 points 1 year ago

Yep, and to add to that, his legal team has already tried the, "But there were no victims, bro," line of arguments. Unsurprisingly, the judge was not convinced. You don't get to commit fraud just because everybody was enriched at the end of it.

[-] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 10 points 1 year ago

I wonder if upon him losing this case, if any banks will sue for damages? They would have all the evidence already laid out for them, seems like an easy pay day for the shareholders.

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

Didn't the defense say they were going to put bankers on the stand who were going to say "No, we didn't care, it's all good"? I don't recall hearing from any of those bankers at all this week.

[-] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 1 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I didn't see anything about any banks testifying. I can't image a bank that would get a representative on the stand to basically say, "he cheated us out of possibly millions, but that's fine", while at the same time foreclosing on someones home because they offered them a predator mortgage loan to make a few thousand extra (depending how long the homeowner took to go under water).

[-] Wirrvogel@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

The biggest damage for Trump is that he will never be able to do it again. No banker in the world will accept him or anyone close to him telling them "it's a 15-storey building" without sending someone over and counting the stairs, they will even start counting the holes on Trump's golf courses. This means that he will no longer be able to get cheap loans or cheat on his taxes.

The banks may stay put, because otherwise their shareholders might ask why they did not get someone to count the floors in the first place, instead of believing a notorious liar. They will probably take the smaller losses and hope that Trump is still willing /stays capable to pay back some of the loans.

[-] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 year ago

I love how you fart huffers give yourself away.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

The people of the state of New York

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