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I noticed a good amount of people talking about Al Jazeera in the BBC paywall thread and that make me ask, why!?

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[–] dbtng@eviltoast.org 1 points 1 minute ago

Al Jazeera is the mouthpiece of a hostile foreign power (to me). Its also sickeningly, cloyingly coated with hate for the US throughout any segment. I will on occasion read something that's been generically reposted, recognize the writing style, and then confirm that it came from AJ. Its so tilted that it reminds me of Fox News. And I don't watch Fox News either.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago

Imo it's not about saying this or that org is least biased or less biased, it's acknowledging the biases present in all news orgs and comparing the reporting from multiple sources.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 20 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

usa based media as you know leans right wing, all of them, and many of them are owned by right wingers irl. if you look at how they glorify the military and vets, and have copangada type shows. it almost never discredits a right wing president in a very negative light, while same cannot be said if it was Dem in power. certain things you notice you really cant criticise, is israel, CHRISTIANITY in movies, and shows, and military. everything else is ok.

AJ may not be neutral source, but its a source that is not controlled by the west, so you might get a ME perspective. just like how some british media reports some truthful news in the USA that usa would sugar coat or downplay, but not against british based news.

asian sources heavily criticizing usa for involvement in thier region, while usa never ever does that.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah going around saying "thank you for your service" to "veterans" you don't know is crazy IMO.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It kind of makes sense in the US, because the US is CONSTANTLY at war with someone / something, so unless people volunteer, there's a good chance the draft would be back and a bunch of people would be forced to go.

[–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 1 points 20 minutes ago

"Thank you for your service. Better you than me amirite. 👈👈😎"

[–] Eddyzh@lemmy.world 12 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It's not about being exactly more reliable than the other big ones. More about being a second perspective, filling in the gaps of the western ones.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, read a couple of sources and take the average.

Always bear in mind who funds it.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Be careful with the taking average mindset. It's a default human one, and it's being abused. A lot of media outlets (particularly American right wing) are mouthpieces for the same few groups or people.

Instead, try and look at their biases. Do they have a reason to mislead you. What akin do they have in a particular game. E.g. the BBC is still fairly unbiased on a lot of world news. They are far less unbiased on middle eastern politics now.

It's an annoyingly complex problem to solve, on the fly.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago

Scepticism should always be applied to any state-run media.

[–] grasshopper_mouse@lemmy.world 11 points 11 hours ago

Al Jazeera is funded by the Qatari government. Make of that what you will.

[–] Paid_in_cheese 65 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not sure I consider them a trustworthy source per se. I don't think they're necessarily less trustworthy than the BBC. BBC is propping up a Western colonialist perspective. (Not trying to beat up on the Beeb specifically. Major trusted U.S. news sources tend to more specifically support U.S. nationalism ... even the "liberal" ones.)

I think if a viewer / reader in a Western mindset, the difference in the blind spots between Al Jazeera's perspective and Western media will complement each other in a way that will give readers / viewers a more well-rounded perspective on history. At least as compared to sticking only to Western perspectives.

[–] mienshao@lemmy.world 29 points 15 hours ago

Very well-put. AJ helps me get the ‘Eastern’ perspective of world events, which can get sanitized by the West. Taking the Gaza War as an example, BBC/any US media outlet is almost always going to take a pro-Israel bias—even inadvertently. I think it’s important to hear from groups who don’t have incentives to portray israel in a good light. Again, tho, that’s one example, and you should always consult multiple news sources.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 35 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Cherry pick a few topics you know incredibly well and look at their published articles on those subjects.

Did they cover your area of expertise correctly with nuance and giving the appropriate context?

If yes, now you have more confidence that the articles in other areas are also well written and researched.

If no, now you have less confidence in them


You can apply the above strategy to any news source. For many people the above protocol gives good results with aj.

[–] impudentmortal@lemmy.world 18 points 12 hours ago

Cherry pick a few topics you know incredibly well and look at their published articles on those subjects.

If they ever write an article on the In N out secret menu I'll let you know

[–] Agrajag@scribe.disroot.org 32 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Every news source has bias, Al Jazeera has over 3000 staff, over 400 journalists and access that comes along with being that massive of a news agency. Obviously they are biased towards reporting that favors the government of Qatar who funds them. Particularly if a lot of stuff is happening in the middle east and Al Jazeera has more journalists in those countries with better connections to those countries they are gonna be first to cover a lot of things in the region. They are also much less likely to use passive voice and other qualification when talking about things like Palestine in their reporting. A lot of people don't want to read "50 Palestinians are shot" instead of "IDF battalion kills 50 Palestinians".

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

You made this a question about Al Jazeera but I think at the same time it should be a question about you. What type of media are you trying to consume about what topics with what goals? Depending on that answer, the utility of Al Jazeera to your life would massively change.

One general approach to understanding national domestic policies is to read one or two papers from your country and then to read one or two papers from a different country, or preferably two different countries, and see how the information stacks up. if you want English language media, maybe you have something like BBC and then ... Gosh it's hard to think of any decent US newspapers ... Seattle Times? ... Maybe something Canadian, and then maybe something Qatari? Why not.

That type of media consumption avoids some common pitfalls, but it's not perfect. Most mainstream media outlets tend to be pro-establishment, whatever that may mean.

[–] xep@fedia.io 3 points 12 hours ago

Not sure why you're being downvoted for providing good advice about avoiding media bias.

[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 18 points 16 hours ago

How about you give your supported and and reasoned opinions for why it is an untrustworthy source?

[–] rumimevlevi 14 points 16 hours ago

Like any media it is legit at certain topics and not at others

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 10 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

This kind of question is similar to proving a negative in logic.

You're asking why people think it's trustworthy, implying you believe it isn't.

  1. *Which people think it's trustworthy? You used an ambiguous "many people" - I'd need to see something supporting this assumption.

  2. It would be more useful for you to give examples of why you don't find it trustworthy, as this is what really matters with regard to any source.

I don't trust any one source, and instead try to piece together a likely truth by considering the different sources and how a story is told. I'm surely wrong as much as I'm right, but it's the best any of us can do.

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 2 points 13 hours ago

The question asks for reasons people who consider it trustworthy do so. That's nothing like trying to prove a negative. That's just giving input on why you (may) believe something different from the asker.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

In my life experience the only way to test the reliability of a news source is to actually live some events and see how they are reported by different media.

I have no such experience with al Jazeera, so I couldn't tell you reliably if they are or not reliable. Best advice with media is, unless you are certain they are reliable, treat them as unreliable.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

reporting from "outside looking in" perspective, rather the us/bbc which only does it in the inside looking in.

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 hours ago

I'm not American. bbc is also a external news source for me.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Can't speak to anything but Al Jazeera America. Short lived, but they promised unbiased news. And gods was it unbiased, flat as paste. Really woke me up to how I'd come to expect entertainment in my news and not simple facts.

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

News shouldn't be entertaining; it should be factual and unbiased.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

almost all the current MSM in usa, is entertainment, they are basically fox-lite, so its heavily sensationalized, or basically a tabloids to get click and viewers.

Yes and that's a damn strong argurment on why it's a bad idea.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 9 hours ago

there was an asian source that was very similar, flat and unbiased, but i forgot which one was it.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 1 points 11 hours ago

There are places (Ground News is a good one IMO) where you can see how biases are broken down by factors like factual accuracy and political alignment.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 3 points 16 hours ago

I have been wondering about this for so damn long....

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world -2 points 11 hours ago

Yes, Al Jazeera is biased. But way less than other news sources in the area, and way better than many large American "news" sources.