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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

The word "proud" implies I had something to do with it. I'm glad to be part of the social experiment, by virtue of being born here. Lots of things to like, most especially the promise in the founding documents and the direction that America was going towards over the years, but that the cons work to thwart at every turn.

And I'm alarmed at the direction that Taco is taking us in. Biden had a great economy, and a return to normalcy at the helm. Taco is working to destroy the economy and remove every single norm and dismantle the rule of law. Nothing to be "proud" of in any of that...

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

I remember having a talk with a vet friend about this very subject. We both mused that it feels like having a fucking funeral for a deeply flawed creature that we nonetheless loved very much, and that is now shuffling around like a grotesque, insect-ridden meat puppet.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 50 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

What, exactly, should I be proud of?

A nation that is moving backwards on human rights, increasing wealth inequality, and got really "mask off" about supporting genocide. A nation that is inherently dysfunctional and wreathed in corruption.

[–] huppakee@feddit.nl 15 points 20 hours ago

To give you one example, there where a few million protesting against all that happening. Not sure if that falls under national pride, but it sure is societal pride.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 138 points 1 day ago (5 children)

no shit, sherlock.

zero reason to be proud of a fascist government.

fuck the 4th of july.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

I've never been diagnosed with "clinical depression".

I'm guessing now it would be "yes".

My country is completely losing it's shit and even an Ocean wide bidet isn't good enough to clean the asses of 75 million Harris voters.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good point. And now I gotta go check if there are going to be more protests planned around here for the 4th.

[–] not_that_guy05@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I need to look for one as well 50501 is not showing one in my area.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah. I'm not going to any celebrations of the country this weekend. I don't have it in me to be patriotic right now. It's wild how far we've fallen in the past decade. And flabbergasting how much further we fell over the last 6 months.

I never thought I'd literally be stocking up on ammunition over political shifts in the US. That's what the crazies on the right do.

[–] Salamanderwizard@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Only reason I'm gonna set off fireworks is for my kid. He turned 5 in May and has been begging me to set off fireworks for the 4th.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I just can't imagine 36% are still proud.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 hours ago

It has always been ~30-40% in this country... These are the "deplorables" that Hillary was referring to.

They will never change.

[–] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Take a trip through flyover country (my hometown!), there are still loads of stupid people everywhere.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 1 day ago

Oh, I believe it. I just can't imagine it.

[–] pigup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

See the left side of the curve.:

[–] Guidy@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

This. And I’m otherwise a very patriotic American veteran.

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 3 points 21 hours ago

Great, so you're organizing with your fellow veterans to do something about it, right?

[–] hypna@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This is the result of the Republican party, starting at least with the Bush neocons, weaponizing patriotism to be a way to slander their critics, and to publicly demonstrate their allegiance to the conservative movement.

After a couple decades now of conservative pundits and politicians responding to criticism by implying their opponents don't love America as much as they do, or even trying to stifle conversation by demanding everyone profess their love of America on the spot, I think everyone else is pretty sick and tired of the flags and pins and stars-and-stripes punisher tee shirts.

[–] tamman2000@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

“We love America just as much as they do. But in a different way. You see, they love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow.”

-Al Franken

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Yes, I think of his discussion about REAL patriotism all the time. I've had that ingrained in my since I was a child by my hippie parents. I freaking love this place. But it doesn't come without a LOT of qualifiers.

And Taco and the qons are actively ruining it.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

Talked to a guy a couple months ago about Trump being re-elected and he literally told me that "at least we can now fly American flags again" now that Biden was out.

I just stared at him like... what the fuck are you even talking about dude??

Not a citizen, by the way. Wouldn't surprise me if he was already deported.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Sounds like he was one of the sharpest bulbs, so to speak.

I am still reeling at talking to someone that not only said we can now say "Merry Xmas" again, thanks to Taco (WTAF?!!!), and said it with not even a whiff of irony. While I was still laughing, he said he hopes that Taco will be able to fix the terrible Biden economy.

This guy is not suffering in the slightest. His wife pays for most everything, and he has steady work. Fixed mortgage. Maybe there was a slight uptick here in inflation, even if it was lower than so many other countries. This guy didn't feel it. But he was standing there and telling me right while Taco was wiping about 20% out of my savings due to cratering the market and thus everyone's 401K, that Taco was going to "fix" this so-called terrible economy of Biden's.

Straight the fuck outta 1984. And I know people say "the financial markets are not the economy", but they are HIGHLY correlated, so that dog won't hunt. If the market crashes, people don't care about the S&P are still going to be affected.

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

I think everyone else is pretty sick and tired

From where the rest of us are standing, "everyone else" is WAY too comfortable with it. Inaction = acquiescence.

theres an old saying in the corporate world... 'whatever you allow to persist becomes policy'

unfortunately, 40% of america are brainwashed to vote against their own best interests with another 30% not voting at all trapping the rest of us in their self-created hellscape.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's older than that. Nixon started it and Regan kicked is down the mountain.

[–] CaliforniaSober@lemmy.ca 2 points 19 hours ago

We’ve been living in it. It’s happening.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good. Patriotism leads to nationalism, xenophobia, and racism.

[–] Anti_Iridium@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Patriotism itself isn't bad. I would love to live in country I'm proud of.

[–] tamman2000@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

As long as there is substance to the reasons for pride, yes...

[–] jhoff90@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago

So, has anyone actually read the 1,000+ pages of the Big Bill?

Because if you did, I promise you wouldn't be celebrating a time America gained her independence knowing that our government is about to rewrite history just so they can have a big old tax break with the blood of Americans on their hands. Democracy was a nice 250-year project while she lasted, but she's at her end now thanks to the greed of a few, it appears.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 day ago

Someone once said to me “the nation I belong to doesn’t exist yet”. I rather like the ring of it.

[–] bricklove@midwest.social 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"The car's on fire and there's no driver at the wheel. And the sewers are all muddied with a thousand lonely suicides

And a dark wind blows

The government is corrupt And we're on so many drugs With the radio on and the curtains drawn

We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine. And the machine is bleeding to death. The sun has fallen down. And the billboards are all leering. And the flags are all dead at the top of their poles"

Dead Flag Blues

I'm gonna be blasting Godspeed all 4th of July

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 hours ago

Their most recent album is good, and I believe all proceeds go to humanitarian aide in Gaza. The album itself is about the genocide.

[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 45 points 1 day ago

fuck this stupid country

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Can confirm. Proud of my state (California) but almost zero pride left for my country. Trying to figure out if I should flee the continent or start building guillotines.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Same, minus the state pride (Georgia).

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Still got Atlanta at least? (Moved to Washington from GA a few years back)

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The bootlickers literally dipped in pride of America when Trump was voted out. Became more prideful when he got back in.

They have no capacity for critical thinking or competent understanding of anything at all. A bunch of knuckle dragging idiots.

[–] Nay@feddit.nl 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's generally how fascism works.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Don't they rely on increasing national pride and with it, national identity? They need a steady supply of useful idiots who buy into the bullshit.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 2 points 17 hours ago

They have stirred up national pride, shame for them that they pulled an Austria-Hungary and are stirring up a springtime of nations. The US ain't a nation it's an ideological empire with a disintegrating ideological foundation.

[–] Nay@feddit.nl 7 points 1 day ago

I didn't say they were doing well, lol.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

In order to feel patriotic you’ll have to have failed history.

[–] PTSDwarrior@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago

I identify as a Californian first. My US passport holder has stickers of the Californian flag. Many Europeans may dislike the USA right now, but you tell them you’re from California, or they see a California flag sticker on your passport holder, wallet, or phone, and then they won’t be so icy.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Hopefully that sick overnationalism gets down to a sane level like it is in most civilzed countries. Imagine no adoring the flag and pledges of allegiances like one normally only sees in fascist dictatorships.

[–] Tantheiel@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

What did we expect? Government is looking out for itself or anyone big enough to pay for a seat at the table.

Republicans appear to be driven by hate and ignorance of the things they do

Democrats appear to do nothing for the people either.

We have lost faith in the courts ability to stand up for the rule of law. Sure we protest. Yell at our elected officials but at the end of the day it seems like we keep picking the worst thing and diving head first.

I know I'm projecting a bit here but it's so exhausting to keep up and it wears us out

Sure keep voting for what you want and what not. Doesn't help with it's red vs blue and both sides are a shit sandwich and the only choice for sides are bigotry or compliances.

I could have told you that without a poll. What a joke

[–] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Californian first.

[–] notsure@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago

...here's an article that misses the point, the one team's popularity is declining but the sport popularity is seeing an increase...

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 0 points 17 hours ago

My kin have been in North America for nearly 500 years, I am a Californian first, an American-Scot second, and an American last.