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    [โ€“] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 hours ago (5 children)

    Actually, stop telling people to "learn" linux. Linux is either supposed to be easily navigable without the Command Line, or it's not the right thing for most people.

    Either dumb it down, or don't expect people to learn it.

    [โ€“] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

    Actually, stop telling people to "deal with" Windows (okay, this one is pretty weak). Windows is either supposed to be easily navigable without going through a dozen of buttons-tabs-subwindows, ot it's not the right thing for most people

    Either dumb it down, or don't expect people to use it

    [โ€“] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 3 points 10 minutes ago

    Depends what you want to do. I have installed Linux for some people and they were perfectly happy with it and never touched the command line. While for me barely a day goes by using Linux that I don't touch the command line for something.

    [โ€“] madcaesar@lemmy.world 2 points 33 minutes ago (2 children)

    You're 100% right.

    Linux Mint is not hard to learn at all, it's almost identical to windows.

    The problem is the random ass shit you have to debug that the average user will not do and conclude Linux sucks.

    IE if you have an Nvidia card, which shit loads of people do, you will struggle with bullshit just having two monitors...

    If you have Logitech devices, which shit load of people do, you won't have drivers and you'll have to fuck around dealing with shit.

    In addition to other quirky shit that happens on Linux some not really Linux fault and some just is.

    That said one of the good things about chat gtp / ai is that they are actually really helpful at debugging Linux.

    So yea... Linux isn't just plug and play, the way windows is. Windows steals your data and has shit loads of bloat but just like cellphones the average person doesn't give a shit nor does he understand how / why windows is awful.

    [โ€“] Shanmugha@lemmy.world 1 points 37 seconds ago

    Been switching monitors with Nvdidia card last few years, every single one is plug and play. What am I doing wrong?

    [โ€“] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 2 points 23 minutes ago

    For anyone needing to manage Logitech devices under Linux, try Solar

    Got me sorted recently when I wanted to pair a dongle with a different mouse than it came with.

    https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar

    [โ€“] squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

    This.

    When switching to Android/iOS/ChromeOS/... people also aren't expected to "learn" that OS.

    [โ€“] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 2 points 1 hour ago

    I don't get what you should "learn"

    [โ€“] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (3 children)

    Guys, I'm a Linux user, too, but can we stop having these fake arguments, please?

    Many such cases

    I never met anyone in real life who said the stuff shown in this meme. The handful of comments here are few and far between.

    Spent two weeks debloating

    The folks who care enough to debloat are either already on Linux or would spend maybe 1-2h to make a few fixes, before they get something they are okay with.

    Just install Linux

    For those who stick with Windows, it's often more than "just switching". They may need certain software, they may not be tech-savvy, they may be insecure about whether they could handle the occasional hiccup on a system that is completely new to them. All valid reasons for hesitation, and "just switch" is about as helpful as "just cheer up".

    Because learning Linux would take time.

    I've used Linux for 15 years now, and I'm still constantly learning new things. Linux is so much more usable now than it ever was, and I also think more people should switch. But suggesting that you "learn Linux" in two weeks' time is just silly and dishonest IMO.

    I wish we as a community could stop with this sense of superiority and actually acknowledge people's humane struggles to help them make the move.

    [โ€“] simple@piefed.social 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

    I wish we as a community could stop with this sense of superiority

    Not possible in a Linux community. They have only three jokes:

    • Fuck windows

    • I'm so smart for using the superior software stack (and everybody is an idiot for not switching)

    • and my personal favorite: constantly trying to trick people into using FOSS software by telling everybody they're as good even in cases where they're clearly not (bro please use GIMP it's actually really good bro as soon as you understand its archaic 1998 user interface it's just as good as photoshop bro please)

    [โ€“] squaresinger@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

    and my personal favorite: constantly trying to trick people into using FOSS software by telling everybody theyโ€™re as good even in cases where theyโ€™re clearly not (bro please use GIMP itโ€™s actually really good bro as soon as you understand its archaic 1998 user interface itโ€™s just as good as photoshop bro please)

    This. So this.

    But coming from a position of nativity, it's even almost understandable. For someone with a software development background, Linux is easily on-par with Windows and for many stacks even a lot better. There are a few cool pieces of software that don't exist under Linux (e.g. Sourcetree) but there are decent replacements that are maybe a little bit less convenient.

    So if you are a software developer and a very light user of stuff like Office, graphics/audio/video editing and similar stuff, you might actually believe that the FOSS alternatives in these areas are also decently good enough.

    I mean, for me GIMP and LibreOffice are totally good enough, because I do next to nothing with these tools, and for the one children's birthday party per year that I make, GIMP and LibreOffice are totally enough.

    The actual hubris here is to think that my noob-level experience with these tools allows me to judge whether these tools are good enough for professional use.

    [โ€“] iopq@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

    I spent 1-2 hours debloating Windows and it turns out Windows update doesn't work unless you turn back on the Windows firewall service.

    I forgot how I disabled it in the first place, so I gave up and installed Linux

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    [โ€“] anarchy79@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

    Linux takes a long time to learn and is often quirky and strange in unexpected ways- life long Windows users already know how horrible Windows is and its quirky strange behaviors.

    We stick with what we know. Unlearning behaviors is doubly hard when replacing them with something better.

    [โ€“] cRazi_man@europe.pub 0 points 51 minutes ago

    I'm commenting because a single upvote doesnt adequately convey how much I agree with this comment.

    [โ€“] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

    Thereโ€™s known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns. The first requires a lot less brainpower than the last.

    [โ€“] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

    I remember people laughing about that Rumsfeld speech but I just feel like those people didn't really get what he meant

    [โ€“] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 hour ago

    It makes perfect sense.

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