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In the battle for the soul of the Democratic Party, strategists think Project 2029 can shape the future agenda. But are they learning from past mistakes or ignoring the voices of progressives like Mamdani, Sanders, and AOC?

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[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 49 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

But are they ... ignoring the voices of progressives like Mamdani, Sanders, and AOC?

Almost certainly.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 33 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Project 2029, in summary:

  • More money for cops
  • More money for the military
  • Less money on social programs
  • More tax cuts for billionaires
  • A tiny tax cut for some of the working class, that expires in 2 years
[–] SARGE@startrek.website 10 points 3 weeks ago

Less money on social programs

How dare you, they would never lower them even more than they have been!

They would maintain the status quo, and in 3 years open up an inquiry as to whether a committee could be established to contemplate on the possibility of maybe increasing their budgets by 0.00001% over the next 100 years (which can be canceled at any time for no reason)

Then sit back and pat themselves on the back for being such a man/woman of the people.

[–] Curious_Canid@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not going to trust any plan the Democratic leadership (or former leadership) put forth until Bernie Sanders endorses it.

[–] Wbear@lemmy.zip 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Why would you use the same naming convention... wtf.

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 weeks ago

Because our political leaders and their consultants are bad at politics.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

i like it, it's simple and effective

maybe you're victim of the paradox of the blue sky?


after checking, "paradox of the blue sky" doesn't seem to be an established term. here's a short explanation:

a nazi says on a sunny and cloudless day that the sky is blue. because a nazi is always wrong, you contradict it and say that the sky is in fact not blue; even though it clearly is blue. But if a nazi says it, it must clearly be wrong.

[–] Wbear@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think that's it. Having a plan for what a party wants to do totally makes sense - and I kind of thought that was kind of the point of party leadership but whatever, not the point.

I think "Project (year)" just has bad vibes, given how absolutely horrific project 2025 is. And I have concern that people would think it's... a sequel? More of that kind of policy? Rather than opposing it.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

This is not the same thing. At all.

Disagreeing with a verifiable fact just because someone you don't like said the same thing is not remotely equivalent to using a naming convention to come up with someone to call your own plan, which is an arbitrary attribution completely up to you

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago

Project 2025 is a modern Mein Kampf, so idk if "I'm gonna make my own Mein Kampf! With blackjack! And hookers!" Is the correct response to the Nazi shit we're dealing with now.

Make a plan for sure, but Jesus fucking Christ, guys: branding!

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Calling it Project 2029 normalizes the insane Project 2025. Fucking idiot leadership.

[–] pigup@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think they're idiots, I think they know what they're doing. Controlled opposition and so forth.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

But are they learning from past mistakes AND NO LONGER ignoring the voices of progressives like Mamdani, Sanders, and AOC?

FTFY

It's very good news that plans are being developed!

We need plans because they give us a clear line of action, and also a speed advantage, should we ever get into a position to implement them.

Sullivan was the piece of shit that significantly slowed and diminished US aid to Ukraine since the new, active phase of the war started in February 2022. For that alone, he can go fuck himself.

[–] coolcat1711@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't even know how this would work. Project 2025 was an actual plan that discussed how to execute their vision. I don't like it but I applaud their commitment.

I don't think the Democratic establishment even has a real vision to even execute. Which means that their "plan" will be vague and non-executable. The exact opposite of what makes the Project 2025 document actually effective.

the democratic party should be sexy again, and by sexy, i mean attractive, cutting and sharp. instead of the indistinct, visionless, potato bag-energy they currently have when it comes to actual policies.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Yall. The wealthy are already hedging their bets for the next election to ensure the democrats maintain their pro war and pro capital agenda. If we let the democrats put another center right candidate on the ballot we will end up worse than ever. We need a populist progressive anti capitalism president to save this country! (that doesn't mean communism)

[–] orionsbelt@midwest.social 7 points 3 weeks ago

is “Project (YYYY)” the new (Service) Pro/Plus”?

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. We need a genocidaire who refused to arm Ukraine adequately near power again.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I know this is a controversial opinion, but maybe US politics should be more about the US and less about the rest of the fucking world again.

This gives me real "Mamdani is not pro Israel" vibes. He doesn't need to be pro israel. He's running as the mayor of NYC, not of Israel.

This dude who is saying this was instrumental in the death of thousands and thousands of people in a genocide. Directly complicit. Nothing he says should have any value and he should be brought to The Hague for justice

[–] RIPandTERROR@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 weeks ago

This is like saying you're releasing Mein Kampf 2, good guy edition.

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 weeks ago

Good! COPYING the EXACT thing that Literally EVERY AMERICAN HATED is a Surefire way to Win! MAYBE they can Also REJECT Candidates that Democrats OVERWHELMINGLY approve of like Mamdani! Democrats are About to be Tired of WINNING!