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Fediverse vs Disinformation

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Pointing out, debunking, and spreading awareness about state- and company-sponsored astroturfing on Lemmy and elsewhere. This includes social media manipulation, propaganda, and disinformation campaigns, among others.

Propaganda and disinformation are a big problem on the internet, and the Fediverse is no exception.

What's the difference between misinformation and disinformation? The inadvertent spread of false information is misinformation. Disinformation is the intentional spread of falsehoods.

By equipping yourself with knowledge of current disinformation campaigns by state actors, corporations and their cheerleaders, you will be better able to identify, report and (hopefully) remove content matching known disinformation campaigns.

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Lemmy.ml continues to allow misinfo/propaganda sites "articles" so long as it's anti-west aligned while removing good credible news sources. Instances that federate with them help their spread (lemmy.world)

submitted 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) by cm0002@lemmy.world to c/fediverse_vs_disinfo@lemmy.dbzer0.com

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This is what the admins of .ml cultivate, as documented in the megathread

Credible sources removed just within the last day: https://lemmy.world/post/32298242 https://lemmy.world/post/32426343

.ml is not much different than the rest of the Triad, continued federation with them is continuing to allow them to spread toxic misinformation and behavior across the Threadiverse.

If you're an instance admin, please consider defederation.

Users, consider joining the lemmy.ml boycott today and help foster a better Lemmy-verse! No more posts, comments (except to counter their propaganda ofc!) or upvotes on any comms on the Lemmy.ml instance.

Other wonderful content, and this is just from when I looked at the local new feed a bit ago:

Classic RT I'm sure you all know and Pravda.ru "Pravda Report"

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[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

PLEASE defederate from the tankies. They should have to suffer through engaging with the real world if they want to engage with all of Lemmy, and not have a whole damn instance astroturfing their propaganda to everyone else.

Yes, it is that bad. They literally ban and block anyone who says Russia/China bad, even for wholly valid and factual reasons.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Actually that last paragraph isn't wholly true. I did so and they followed me around to harass me.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I did so and they followed me around to harass me.

lmao, that sounds fun!

Russia and China fucking suck! Come get me, keyboard slaves! Pooh-bear demands it!

Remember, if it ain't Ukrainian, it ain't vodka.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Last two times someone did that to me was .world zionists.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In the absence of a true rightwing core to lemmy, we just made our own enemies. My faith in humanity remains rock-bottom.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

A lot of this push started at about the same time a day or two ago. Suspicious timing; start of the work week

Right after zionist genocide and bluemaga started taking serious PR hits to the point that .world's overcentralization isn't shielding those vile fucking positions anymore.

What changed or what unusually shitty thing did .ml do in the past week? Im not sure this is about .ml's behavior; i think they're just the next largest instance and differently aligned.

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I got added to someones downvote bot after arguing with tankies from my .ml account.

Found out who it was and threatened to do it back and it stopped though

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

.world does it too, try opposing zionism or blue-maga bullshit. Indistinguishable reaction from going to a tankie server then posting a video of yourself at lenin's grave with a shovel and a strap on.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Anyone doing that to me?

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

It's hard to tell as a user. You need to ask someone with direct access to a federated lemmy db to look it up for you. they can see who upvoted and who downvoted who with a custom query.

I do not have direct access to a federated lemmy DB at the mo

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No I was just asking if you saw a downvote on my comment :3

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, you have one downvote on your original comment. none on your latest at time of writing

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 3 weeks ago

I see the same. Thank you :)

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I second the movement to defederate from the tankies!

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

See a lot of .world users saying this. You realize your dog shit server is worse, right? And more rabid about the genocide?

Edit: and now that people are starting to turn on zionism and bluemaga, your server is pushing others to defed the next largest server. You may not be a conscious conspirator, but take a closer look. A lot of this push started at the same time.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Defeferate from the rabid zionist neolibs first. Theyre just as bad and shit is overcentralized on their .world server, so yhry can use it as a shield.

Edit: and now that public opinion is seriously turning on both things, theyre trying to get people to defed the next largest server. Correct me if im wrong about size rankings.

[–] Agrajag@scribe.disroot.org 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I sort by new and there are not a whole lot of posts on lemmy every day, but if this is bothering you that much I would recommend blocking the instance. The posts you are showing of this user aren't even popular and get heavily downvoted.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Instance blocks are nothing more than a comm mute, even if it worked as one would expect, it does nothing to stop them from spreading their toxic misinformation and propaganda to unknowing new users.

And downvoting to oblivion is not something to be relied upon, IME only obvious ones get downvoted like RT or ones with headlines like "UKRAINE WILL FAIL SOON SUPERIOR RUSSIA..."

Subtler disinformation, from lesser known sources, can still end up with positive upvotes and is just as dangerous

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago

Piefed has actual instance blocking, you might want to give it a try https://piefed.social/

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 weeks ago

I agree in the abstract but i can't take this seriously from a .world user.

Youre on the zionist bluemaga server. Ive seen all the bad behavior from .ml shit heads fron you, plus things are overcentralized with you.

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A voice of reason drowned out by a red scare.

Here we cherry pick unpopular posts and gripe about pro-west news censored. But I think it would be also fun to cherry pick some pro genocide from world, posts that are unpopular too, and gripe about how Chinese news is censored.

Double the fun! Yes?

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Lotta .world's pushing to defed .ml recently.

Its really sudden. And i fucking hate those people. And yeah; .world is saturated with zionists, bluemaga. They really are in a glass house, relying on overcentralization to shield them.

Isn't .ml the next largest instance?

[+] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com -9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

This irony is pretty thick. OP is crying about propaganda while promoting overt imperial propaganda (radio free europe, etc.). Libs and tankies are the same damn thing with different imperial branding. That's all that this is.

[+] cm0002@lemmy.world -6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Radio Free [Region] is a perfectly credible news source that does a fair job of minimizing bias

In any case, bias != Mis/Disinformation. They're vastly different beasts. One just tries to subtly write things in a way that makes the reader favor their position the other is just straight lies and made up conspiracy theories to force a certain narrative among the populace

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

To anyone reading this except OP:

This is such a fucking obvious troll it hurts omg. Radio Free [Region] is literally a mouthpiece of blatant western imperialist misinformation.

This person == 🤡🤡🤡

[+] cm0002@lemmy.world -6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Radio Free [Region] is literally a mouthpiece of blatant western imperialist

Ok prove it then, surely something so widely known and "blatant" to be an outlet for misinformation would have numerous online, credible, sources with their evidence

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Radio Liberty was literally initiated by the CIA and has been controlled by the "United States Agency for Global Media" since it was privatised, please look it up...

Even fucking Wikipedia has it listed in the first 3 paragraphs

[+] cm0002@lemmy.world -7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Lol, I already have

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:RFE/RL

Additional considerations apply to the use of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (RFE/RL). RFE/RL should be used cautiously, if at all, for reporting published from the 1950s to the early 1970s, when RFE/RL had a documented relationship with the CIA.

RFE/RL may be biased in some subject areas (particularly through omission of relevant, countervailing facts), and in those areas, it should be attributed in the article body. There is no consensus as to what subject areas require attribution. The scope of topics requiring attribution of RFE/RL should be decided on a case-by-case basis.

It hasn't been true for some time now and is generally found to be credible and fairly unbiased and RFA is seen in even a more positive light:

Radio Free Asia can be generally considered a reliable source. In particularly geopolitically charged areas, attribution of its point of view and funding by the U.S. government may be appropriate. Per the result of a 2021 RfC, editors have established that there is little reason to think RFA demonstrates some systematic inaccuracy, unreliability, or level of government co-option that precludes its use.

And MBFC:

In contrast this is what RT looks like:

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I love how you point to this media bias site like it's the gospel. Have you considered thinking by yourself for once?

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

Libs function by abdication of responsibility and appeals to authority. It's internally consistent.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Oh. We cant prove they are. Then it must be fine; the cia would never hide things from or try to influence us. They even gave my grandpa both free lsd and free cocaine, in various decades. Theyre good people. We can trust when they say they're not involved.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago

Dude, we arent shitlibs. World can defed from the next largest instance if it wants, but we see what you're up to.

Now that your size is no longer working to shield your server's support of genocidal zionist terrorism and insane bluemaga bullshit, you're working agInst the next largest server, which is only like 60% less vicious and bullshit (not praise for the tankies here) but differently aligned.

[+] fkncowardz -4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

In a roundtable carried by Uzbek TV on 18 March, three Uzbek political commentators made the case for war by claiming to have concrete information that Baghdad possessed weapons of mass destruction and had direct links with terrorists. "It is a well-known fact that Iraq possesses weapons of mass destruction. Its Al-Sumud and Al-Fatah ballistic missiles are capable of causing unspeakable disaster for humankind. Just imagine this dictator and despot, Saddam Hussein, passing on such weapons to Osama bin Laden or his henchmen!" said one Qobilbek Karimbekov. He continued: "It is Saddam Hussein's regime that is currently sheltering those members of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda who fled Afghanistan.... Incidentally, there is ample proof that dozens of suicide bombers in the Middle East are receiving financial aid from Iraq."

Golly gee I can't believe a news source would quote Central Asian commentators when discussing Central Asian politics towards Iraq. It's a good thing no one would be intellectually bankrupt enough to try to take that out of context and claim the news source was trying to push that point themselves.