I don't know anything about specifics, or actual explanations, but I once heard it said that Art decorates space and music decorates time.
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To drown out the sound of your brain counting the moments until your next shift at work.
13 hours 50 minutes...
Birds love music too now you mention it.
It's mainly to get laid. Now that I think of it, that's kind of the case with human music as well.
PhD in neuroscience here. I didn't specifically study musicology, but i did study the neuroscience of music.
The theory that holds the most water, in my opinion, is that music activates all the same parts of the brain as motor processing. It makes us want to move, and to make predictions about what's coming next. People like makimg predictions. It's also a pro-social activity that encourages bonding and communication. These are typically positive experiences.
Edit: you mentioned we like the breaking of patterns in music. Very true, we love syncopation. But we don't tap our foot to the rhythm, we groove to the beat.
Humans are electrified meat computers. Music is math and chaos brought into order. It's no wonder we love music like we do.
Yes I am a human, I love human things like... um... music...
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But we don't love patterns
I would disagree with that somewhat - I think we do love patterns, but the more complex and intricate the better.
Which is why music appeals so much - it's chock full of patterns overlaying each other, echoing and counterpointing each other, contrasting each other in ways that are both conflicting and harmonious. Good music is like seeing the rhythms of the world all around you.
Yes! When a chorus repeats and becomes familiar, or when a sequence resolves and the pattern is "recognized". Satisfying to the core.
Exactly - chills up the spine moments!
By the way your link didn't work, but this one might: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_%28music%29?wprov=sfla1
I'm also interested in why there is such varying tastes in music. Why do I love metal but hate pop? shrugs
And why do I love both metal and bluegrass, and find them similar?
While I enjoy a lot of metal and not any bluegrass that I've heard, I do sorta get that one. They do share quite a bit in terms of their rhythmic feel, both (depending on your metal subgenre) doing a lot of rapid-fire staccato notes to keep up a really fast pace, and also share some of their roots in Black American music. The timbres of the instruments used the choices of notes are very different of course, but I don't think that you're inventing a non-existent similarity
Play bluegrass an octave down and distorted, hit the drums more, and you're basically at metal
Hey, fuck that song! Listen to Harvester of Constant Sorrow for an on-the-nose Thrash Grass mashup!
Then unfuck that song and listen to it again, and then this one again. And then listen to Leo, and then UMC, and finally fuck your own ears with the dulcet duality of Bardcore.
The only thing I love more than an artist creating their own song is another artist lovingly reinterpreting it.
Oh my friend!
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=iron+horse+bluegrass+metallica
I just put Metallica to give you a taste, MUCH more!
Probably based on where you were born and raised:
NOOOOOOOOOOO, GODDD NOOOOOOOOOOO
And here I am, I don't really like pop and I don't really like metal but put them together and I'm in heaven.
Knew what it was before even clicking
GIMME CHOCOLATE
How did I know it was going to be Babymetal? 😛
Because at it's core, music is a beautiful lack of auditory dissonance. See this minutephysics episode for an in depth explanation why. It's fundamental. (to music itself, not to any particular style of music) https://youtu.be/tCsl6ZcY9ag
i can only think of one style of music that doesn't heavily rely on dissonance.
"Is it not strange that sheep's guts should hail souls from mens' bodies?" -- Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing
(Guitar/lute strings used to be made from sheep gut, for anyone confused)
Are we sure he wasn't talking about condoms?
It is in the context of a guy singing. The next line is something like "if it was a dog that had howled thus, he'd have shot him"
Don't animals also "understand" music to some extent and seem to enjoy it?
I'm not a scientist, but I think it is because humans like patterns, which is what music is. What makes random banging and loud noises annoying and how is that different from music? I think the answer is that music has patterns. What makes people like or hate different types of music is that they like one pattern over another.
I don't. And I don't understand why I'm the only one who just in general would rather hear silence then music.
I've met 2 people like that, you're not alone! I love music but y'all are valid
I too like silence, then music, when the album I'm listening to intended to have a break between songs.
However, if the songs' tracks are meant to fade from one to the next without a break, it's annoying and distracting if I can hear a silence between them, however small -- even just a click -- then music.
I'm the same. I don't listen to music, ever. It does nothing for me (except hurting my ears if it's medium or high volume, annoying me, stressing me out if it's fast, and preventing me from understanding spoken words.). There's something weird in my brain, I think.
There is a gremlin in your brain, textbook synonym here.
My pet theory is that our brain rewards us for interpreting clues correctly, because this is crucial for survival. And patterns make it easy to do this interpretation correctly, therefore triggering the reward system frequently.
But if it is too easy to interpret a pattern correctly, the reward will be lessened, because the challenge you succeeded in was lesser. And it was also crucial to survival to fade out patterns which don't change, so that e.g. the wind brushing through leaves doesn't drown out the noises from a predator approaching.
That's why patterns which don't change every so often stop triggering the reward system and therefore bore us.
It’s the breaking of the patterns that sound good in music, but only in specific ways. Other ways sound discordant.
I like a lot of different music and I also like harsh noise, when it's adventurous like Merzbow. It sounds discordant, but it sounds great and I enjoy listening to it. Maybe you should go more fundamental, "why do we humans like information entropy" or something like that.
The answer is we don't know unfortunately. I dont think scientists have found a definitive answer on this one. The theory tho is that it had some evolutionary benefit in the past, but we dont know why that would be either.
Why do we like reading? It's just arbitrary characters, really, in a sequence.
This discounts so many quantitative and absolute qualities of music.
Cause it makes me feel funny and I like it duh