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[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 125 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Okay, so now you can barely afford your rent inside a black hole. Enjoy the enhanced granularity of your desperation!

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That would explain why it feels like my bank account is being sucked dry.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Fortunately the universe can get Cosmic Overdraft Protection, for only a small annual fee and 23 squillion bazillion stomptillion dollars per occurrence.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And since you're in a black hole with your unaffordable rent, you can't escape it!!!

[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago

Fuck that's funny!

[–] peregrin5@piefed.social 67 points 1 week ago (3 children)

paying rent sometimes feels like throwing money into a black hole

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The same for mortgages too really. All these people out there toting new construction and how it’s good for property values seem to forget that higher property values means 1) higher property taxes, and 2) higher priority values, for when you sell your home and need to buy a new one.

[–] Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Not to mention mortgage rates are so damn high that your mortgage payment is basically like paying rent to the bank because you're barely touching the principal on the loan

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Therefore your landlord's bank account is a black hole. Therefore black holes are inside banks. Therefore the universe is inside a bank.

[–] peregrin5@piefed.social 5 points 1 week ago

cosmic horror

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[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Tax breaks for the rich is the only solution

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 week ago

Wouldn't it even be more helpful to just relieve the ultrarich from taxes? So they could better pay their rent too. I'd throw in one or two moneyz to help.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I suddenly feel something trickling down from above. Is this what they were talking about all these years? Is this a good thing? It smells bad, like really bad. Like somebody is cooking meth while they have a near fatal case of diarrhea. What am I supposed to do?

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Get hooked on meth, it'll wildly change your priorities.

(This is a joke, please do not do this)

[–] scytale@piefed.zip 46 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Ok I've been meaning to ask this in the Space community or the NoStupidQuestions community. I've seen this news circling around the past 2 weeks and have been watching videos of people talking about it.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think the gist is that astronomers discovered with the JWST that some galaxies at the end of the observable universe appear to be younger than they are supposed to be. So it kinda blows a hole in the big bang expansion where objects farther away should be older. And that somehow ties in with the theory that our universe is inside a blackhole.

It's fascinating but I don't know what to do with that information other than just be fascinated. I think it was Neil deGrasse Tyson who said "So what does this new discovery matter to us? Nothing", because us being in a blackhole doesn't change anything in the grand universal scheme of things.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

From what I've seen, it's not that they're "young" galaxies, but that they shouldn't have had enough time to develop if the universe were truly so crazily homogenous from the big bang. It doesn't necessarily disprove the big bang, just means the universe might not be as "smooth" as previous assumptions.

Any scientist worth their salt should be readily able to admit it was always an assumption, just one that proved congruent with observations until now.

[–] jared@mander.xyz 13 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I've always liked this theory, imagining the cosmos is just a series/web/tree of black holes draining into the next. Everything gets recycled eventually.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It meshes well with my occasional feeling that reality is just circling the drain.

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[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Another big part of it is that if the big bang happened evenly then galaxies and other objects should be spinning in random directions. So far that's not what's been observed. There seems to be a preferred direction everything spins in.

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[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe the far away galaxies are just the close galaxies seen from the other side?

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Nah, that would require spacetime to curve a lot more than it does. It'd also have to curve in the other direction (local spacetime is hyperbolic, "local" as in basically all of the observable universe). Calculations show the universe must be several times larger than the observable universe (I forgot the exact numbers, but iirc it's in the single digits or low teens) in order to match even Hubble observations, let alone JWST observations.

IMO, it's likely that the universe just isn't as homogenous as assumed, or maybe that certain geometries that span across spacetime or movement of the galaxies simply make us think the galaxies are further away than they actually are, or both.

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[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 41 points 1 week ago (14 children)

NOT "discovered inside black hole", just gained further theoretical evidence for the Earth being in a less dense area of the universe. There has been actual evidence of such for some time (at least a decade), but there is uncertainty at such large scales so it cannot be called conclusive based only on a couple types of observation that may have erroneous procedures.

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[–] Taalnazi@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

Both are fair and valid.

Peaceful science & good housing should go hand in hand.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 12 points 1 week ago

Considering NASA could be canceled by an ass hole, I think we have other problems.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 12 points 1 week ago

You better start believing in compression systems you're in one

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

hasn't this been a theory for a while now? The event horizon of a black hole keeps information minus one dimension. and the theory goes that our entire universe is just at the edge or a black hole in a 4D universe

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Yes. It's basically how the holographic principle got started, and that was decades ago.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, we ignore it. Given the size of the universe, if being inside a black implies any conseqences that will ever hurt us, it will be a process that takes billions of years to develop, giving the human race billions of years to either become extinct or solve the problem.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

There is no problem introduced by noticing that there exists a horizon to the universe. It's also in no way what so ever a new "discovery", but a basic concept based on how horizons work in the first place.

The only "new" "discovery" I'm aware of is just a theory about our galaxy being roughly in the center of a less dense area of the universe that's ~ 2 billion lightyears across. There has been observational evidence for it for many years, but the new info correlates it with dark energy observations as well as distance/density observations, or thereabouts.

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Don't get me wrong, understanding the nature of the universe is valuable and noteworthy. But how would that information meaningfully impact anyone's life or change their behavior or worldview beyond a general awe at the unfathomable mysteries we already have towards space as we've understood it for centuries? Especially in a way that would ne noticeable to this person. Am I meant to stare up at the sky from 8:15 to 8:30 every other night with my mouth agap while I try to wrap my mind around the spacetime bubble we all exist on the surface of? Or can I just eat dinner?

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The reason research like this exists is because we don't know what we don't know. Results like these are meant to stoke curiousity so that more research can be done.

So on and so forth until one day you have horseshoe crabs saving millions of lives. But they didn't know that would be the case when they started researching them crabs, function comes after exploration.

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[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

Am I meant to stare up at the sky from 8:15 to 8:30 every other night with my mouth agap while I try to wrap my mind around the spacetime bubble we all exist on the surface of?

At scale that sounds better for society than going to church. We need a little more memento mori (memento minima?) in modern life.

[–] Blemish5236@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I mean on top of answering fundamental questions about the nature if reality, proving that the universe is a black hole would necessarily invalidate almost every religion. That fact alone would upend society, and probably in a bad way.

Also, if the universe is a black hole that means the universe is capable of reproduction. If the universe reproduces, there is likely no limit to the number of times it can do so. If an infinite number of universes spawn an infinite number of children, it basically establishes reincarnation as a fact of life.

And that's ignoring all the philosophical implications such a discovery would immediately raise.

Maybe it wouldn't change anything. Maybe it would change everything.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No way, at all, what so ever.

Most religious people will readily admit it's based on faith, not fact. Furthermore, it'd likely make them believe it more. God has always been described as beyond the universe, bigger than, all encompassing, etc. If the holographic principle proves true, it'd actually provide a mathematical path for such statements to be literally true. Yes, it'd still be a pile of assumptions about such an external entity, but the point is there would still exist a scientific path for the most basic of things to be good enough for faith.

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 3 points 1 week ago

Why would the universe being a black hole invalidate religion, any more than, for example, the universe being really big already does? Don't most religions focus more on some entity or entities they think made or govern the universe more than what physical processes are "used" to do that, or what the ultimate shape of the universe is? Even when a contradiction is found, it's easy enough for a religion to just say "well, that was metaphorical", or "just the limited understanding given by (insert deity here) to our ancestors" or something along those lines to make it fit.

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[–] crazycraw@crazypeople.online 7 points 1 week ago

we could acknowledge it as a possibility AND work to better our um.. local frame of reference.

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