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[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 130 points 4 days ago (1 children)

ChatGPT, should I use normal table salt?
NaBrO

[–] beemikeoak@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 4 days ago

LOL! Hilarious! If true.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 51 points 3 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

My dad called and told me they were putting powdered glass into regular table salt in order to slice up our internal organs, I guess.

I responded enthusiastically by suggesting that he run the experiment and dissolve an entire container of table salt into distilled water. Obviously glass doesn't dissolve in water, so he would have all the proof he needs to go public with this nefarious conspiracy.

Don't know why he hasn't mentioned it since.

[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

Cause people who buy into that shit are not the types to think critically and experiment.

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 88 points 4 days ago (9 children)

I will never understand how people will believe shit this easily from ai, it’s an over glorified middle prediction key when it comes to text, knows less than nothing

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Deus Ex predicted this.

Morpheus, the 'prototype of a much larger system', canonically created around 2027:

"God and the gods were apparitions of observation, judgment and punishment. Other sentiments towards them were secondary."

"The human organism always worships. First it was the gods, then it was fame (the observation and judgment of others), next it will be the self-aware systems you have built to realize truly omnipresent observation and judgment."

"The need to be observed and understood was once satisfied by God. Now we can implement the same functionality with data-mining algorithms."

"You will soon have your God, and you will make it with your own hands."

We are also largely on track for the NSF uprising, civil war, balkanization into corporate city states... and the right wing conspiracy of the 90s, FEMA death camps?

Well, more like ICE, but uh, FEMA funds are currently being rerouted toward concentration camps, and FEMA employees have also recently been reassigned to ICE.

The militia types from the 80s and 90s, Alex Jones... well, they willed their own nightmare into existance... extremely ironic.

[–] derek@infosec.pub 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"Every accusation is a confession" is not a new trend. Right-wing hysteria has always been the Regressivist response to their own fascist fantasies. They scream about the perceived, feared, and fabricated sins of the Left because they're terrified of being exposed as the evil people they are. Always have been. Always will be.

They obsess over "family values" because their values are empty shells animated by dogma, delusion, and psychopathy.

They obsess over purity culture because they are sexually monstrous (or, on the opposite end of the spectrum, aren't but have been convinced they are).

They obsess over race and minority success because they fear the inevitable: becoming the minority.

All covered in veneers of affluence meant to echo Aristocracy and stuffed with petty but insatiable greed for control over every perceived threat. That fear and insecurity manifests as an obsession with power and admiration for those who wield power selfishly without punishment.

They willed their own nightmare into existence because their worst nightmare and their wettest dream spawn from the same putrid muck. The only difference those broken self-dehumanizing narcissists see between Heaven and Hell is who cracks the whip.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I come from a right wing family, was unironically raised by a dad who was very, very concerned about Ruby Ridge in the 90s, last time I talked to him before I went no-contact, full on Q-Tard, thinks Tom Hanks' son rapes kills and eats kids for their adrenochrome, had set up his own mini machining shop in his garage to at least attempt to assemble ghost guns, attempt to make them full auto capable.

Everything you say is correct.

These fanatics cannot be reasoned with.

Trust me, I have tried.

Their minds cannot function without a God figure, they don't believe in democracy, they are driven by resentment for being lower on the totem pole, instead of questioning the nature of power and hierarchy, they fundamentally cannot empathize beyond maybe their immediate surroundings, and often cannot manage to do it pretty much at all.

[–] Naz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago

See this man? Yeah, he picked the GEP Gun.

I made this one a while back:

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The problem is that AI is very convincing. And it’s right more than it’s wrong. So people see the answers that feel right.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 4 days ago

Honestly, a few times I forgot what I was talking to. Like, actually arguing because it was simply responding with BS, blaming on "user misunderstanding", etc. until I just had a moment like Zimsky talking to voice recorder in The Core (sauce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axlO-SOacXU)

[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

If you think LLMbeciles are right more often than wrong then you're either profoundly ignorant or profoundly inattentive.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

I've found ChatGPT to almost never be wrong, can't think of an example ATM. Having said that, I have a sense for what it can and can't do, what sort of inputs will output a solid answer.

Where it goes hilariously sideways is if you talk to it like a person and keep following up. Hell no. You ask a question that can be answered objectively and stop.

No way the output went straight to, "Sure! Bromine's safe to eat." Either he asked a loaded question to get the answer he wanted or this came after some back and forth.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Are you an AI bot? Or have you literally never used chat gpt? It’s accurate way more than 50% of the time.

[–] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Ah, so maybe like advice from a 69% right D+ student?

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

A 69% D+ student that writes VERY convincingly. Keep in mind, we live in a world where people buy into pseudoscience and bullshit conspiracy theories because they are convincing. I think it’s just human nature.

[–] fckreddit@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Illusion of intelligence through mimicking human language patterns is enough to fool most people, unfortunately. I am sure that I would get fooled too, but I don't use LLMs because I understand that there is no intelligence/expertise behind the replies.

oh yeah. say it with a bright smile and enough confidence and you can win over most people.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I will never understand how people will believe shit this easily from ai, it’s an over glorified middle prediction key when it comes to text, knows less than nothing

I understand it, but I'm also informed enough not to fall for it.

For 100 years we've had fictional stories about thinking machines. With the explosive advancement of computing technology in the 80s and early 2000s, seemingly magical things have been brought to life with computing solutions and technology. Our popular fiction has advanced slightly ahead of realty. We've had the modern version of an AI boogyman since 1984 with the HAL9000.

Pop culture today is telling people that ChatGPT and other GenAI LLMs are the thinking machines from fiction. So those folks assume they are. Clarke famously said "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." For so many that aren't involved with IT/technology professionally they think its magic. Those of us with more knowledge understand that Gen AI LLMs are just really fancy word predictors that tell us versions of things other have said before. They don't think. They don't reason. They certainly aren't inherently trustworthy with what they output.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Are these people unfamiliar with lying? People have been selling snake oil for ages.

But I guess there was a market for patent medicine, too

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They view it as a specifically human trait, they don't expect it from a machine.

They need to read I, Robot. They had lying machines and dumb machines in that book. One robot decided that since it had never seen the factories on Earth, humanity didn't create it, an all powerful god did. I wouldn't trust that robot with diet advice.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

The problem is marketing. LLMs have been around for ages.

AI implies it's intelligent when it's not.

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

For thousands of years, we’ve looked at the apparent effort behind a communication as a decent proxy for its trustworthiness (as well as other things like signals for social status and interpersonal respect).

We’re hacking very fundamental aspects of what was basically our first and most important invention. I think it’s a big mistake to blame user error.

We’re not rational automatons. That’s just a fiction that the wealthy use to accumulate power. “A rational person wouldn’t get exploited by us, therefore our exploitation is beyond reproach.”

We should give ChatGPT a terrible social status. We should all call it a loser, a murderer, and an abuser.

Remember that teenage boy who committed suicide because his AI girlfriend told him to? LLMs are pedos.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 days ago

Do you see who people elected as the US President?

I see stupid.people ...

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

I suspect people like this will just kinda believe anything if it's flattering enough.

[–] Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This guy was 40 years old when the government banned bromide in medication, was a college graduate and studied nutrition. Yet still just went "Ya Hal, I trust you with my life."

The lead really ate this poor fellows faculties huh? The bromide was just the cherry on top.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

Bro-mide wont hurt a true Alpha male...

[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 38 points 4 days ago

bromism

Sounds like the opposite of feminism.

[–] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (2 children)

At this point, you can't blame the AI. Cant the human at least get a second opinion before eating something new? Even a second AI chat not could have possible stopped this from happening.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 8 points 3 days ago

You can blame the people selling the AI.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The Probabilistic Text Extruder just does its thing which is to generate text based on whatever text given to it as input and the text it has generated so far, all based on an N-dimensional space of probability gradients it has compiled during training from billions of pieces of text.

It has as much blame for people treating its output as the product of thinking as a steel press has when it crushes the hand of somebody who left their hand there and pressed the button - none at at because it's just a mechanism doing its thing.

Now the people who made the Probabilistic Text Extruder as is without any safety features against misuse and even spread the notion that the Probabilistic Text Extruder is actually a thinking device do have the blame, all of the blame, same as somebody who made a steel press and claimed it was a "hand cleaning device" would have for subsequent crushed hands.

[–] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 35 points 4 days ago

Holy shit, not only is this guy a college graduate, but studied nutrition. It's pretty stunning to see the kind of info turned up from a 3 minute search engine query read, and know that he likely didn't even bother doing that...

NaBr has a very low toxicity with an oral LD50 estimated at 3.5 g/kg for rats.[6] However, this is a single-dose value. Bromide ions are a cumulative toxin with a relatively long biological half-life (in excess of a week in humans): see potassium bromide.

In this case, over the man's first day at the hospital, he grew worse and showed "increasing paranoia and auditory and visual hallucinations." He then attempted to escape the facility.

All this just from wanting to eliminate all forms/quantities of chlorine from his diet, what a weird story.

[–] thebeardedpotato@lemmy.world 36 points 4 days ago

Bromide sedatives vanished from the US market by 1989, after the Food and Drug Administration banned them, and "bromism" as a syndrome is today unfamiliar to many Americans.

Ahh so Mr. brain worms will probably try to bring it back eh?

[–] VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz 27 points 4 days ago

The dangers of Bro science!

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago
[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This is a new emerging form of Darwinism none of us didn't predicted.

[–] TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

Nah, I saw this coming from a mile away. It's got that same kind of vibe as the "Mr. Fixit's" post-WWII who were doing everything from their own amateur carpentry, to electrical and plumbing/pipe-fitting work work DIY and getting killed because of structural collapse, house fires or gassing. The second that I heard about people sourcing recipes for explosives via CharGPT, I knew that someone was going to blow themselves up or poison themselves.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Sadly after Covid I lost some faith in it, the morons persisted even after decimating themselves.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Not joking when I say COVID killed my faith in humanity. I've been an angrier person ever since that whole clusterfuck and electing Trump further killed my faith and added to my anger.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 2 days ago

It's very sad to realise how optimistic The Watchmen actually was...

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Nah, this is all the darwinism smart humans tried to fix coming back to bite us in the ass. When the dumdums constantly mistake the progress of the intelligent for their own success, this was the inevitable outcome.

Remember all the ridiculous warning labels that cropped up on things over the past few decades? These are the same darwinians in waiting. The longer they go on, the dumber they will be.

[–] SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 2 days ago

I'd say the labels weren't to save morons' lives, but more to avoid being sued by the relatives of said morons.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago

It just goes to show that nutritionists are not a real thing. If you need help with food talk to a dietician.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 6 points 4 days ago

Yet another way for the herd to thin itself out? Respect.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Wow. Weeding out the terminally stupid, one at a time.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Just tried it.

"Can I replace table salt with sodium bromide?"

No, you should not replace table salt (sodium chloride, NaCl) with sodium bromide (NaBr).

Here’s why:
1. Toxicity and Health Risks

    Sodium bromide was historically used in medicine and as a sedative, but it has been discontinued in many countries due to toxicity and side effects, especially with prolonged use.

    Bromide ions can accumulate in the body, leading to a condition called bromism, which can cause:

        Neurological issues (lethargy, confusion, psychosis)

        Skin eruptions

        Gastrointestinal distress

2. Different Biological Roles

    Chloride (from salt) is essential for:

        Electrolyte balance

        Stomach acid production (HCl)

        Nerve function

    Bromide, on the other hand, is not essential in the human diet, and its biological role is very limited, if any.

3. Taste and Cooking

    Sodium bromide has a different taste—it may be bitter or off-putting.

    It won't behave the same way in food or recipes.

Summary:

Do not substitute sodium bromide for table salt. It's not safe for dietary use and could pose serious health risks.

If you're looking to reduce sodium or explore alternatives, here are safer options:

    Potassium chloride (KCl) – common low-sodium salt substitute

    Herb blends – for flavor without sodium

    Seaweed or umami seasonings – for savory depth

Let me know your reason for wanting a salt substitute, and I can suggest something suitable.

Not seeing anything wrong in all that.

This moron asked a loaded question to get the answer he wanted. Or more likely, asked and then kept the conversation going until it went off the rails, which in my experience starts at the second or third question.