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What about let people live however they want? I live in a village near bigger city in Poland, and a lot of people just stay home with their parents, because they have big houses, and there's no need to pay for a flat as well.
Some people also don't want to marry and/or have kids, and that's fine as well.
Multi-generational homes are in vogue again! There, positive spin.
Honestly, it might be the only way to build wealth over the next 20 years.
I wonder why? Is it the rise of fascism?
parents' home, getting a job, getting married and having a child.
Grouping those stats is pretty much clickbait as they're completely different. This is the data from the paper:
In 2005, living away from parents was the most commonly experienced milestone, with about 84% of 25-34 year olds living independently. By 2023, this percentage declined to 81%. Labor force participation became the most common marker of adulthood, with about 86% of young adults reporting being in the labor force in 2023. The share of young adults who completed their education by attaining a high school or college degree increased by 9 percentage points between 2005 to 2023, from 74% to 83%. Family formation milestones, on the other hand, were experienced less often. In 2005, about 62% of young adults had ever married, a share that declined by 18 percentage points to 44% by 2023. Similarly, the proportion of young adults who lived with a child in the household decreased by 16 percentage points from 55% to 39% over this 18-year period.
Which shows that: yeah, most young adults have a job and most young adults move out of their parents' home. It's really only the family formation milestones that are down. (Who can blame us though, in this economy)
maybe not all of these milestones are really things people need to strive for anymore. I mean there's nearly 8.2 billion people on the planet, maybe adoption should be a milestone.
That was the route I went.
But I kind of see the issue the natalists are talking about. Modern economy and social safety nets are built on the idea that people will have more than 2 kids. Since that hasn’t been happening in most modernized economies for the last 30 years, we are seeing constrictions coming. No one knows how this will play out. Japan is probably the best example of how to manage population loss, but even that could doom them to irrelevance soon.
Population decline is kind of a cascading event. I feel like the movie children of men helps visualize what the world in population decline can become.
If only billionaires paid taxes.
Moving out is such a western country thing too.
Hm, so staying in all day and wanking isn't on the list?
four milestones associated with adulthood: moving out of one's parents' home, getting a job, getting married and having a child.
My 20-something kids haven't reached any of those, unless by "job" you count 4 hour shifts 3-4 days a week at minimum wage...
As someone who's always struggled to find ambition, that's wild to me.
It's not for lack of trying, on their part.
The job market is just that bad.
Man, all these people in the thread commenting that having kids isn't a milestone of being an adult. It's like they can't fathom that it's a general milestone, just because they've noped out of it.
Like if you said one of the goals of a career is retirement, and then some trust fund fucktard showed up and said "No! Because I work but I could've retired decades ago!". Like stfu, it's still a general goal for most people -- just because you're too stupid to put it together that they're not talking about your specific niche situation, doesn't change the general validity of the message.
Personally I don't feel that goals and milestones are the same thing.
Agreed. Goal = something that I want to accomplish. Milestone = something that others (e.g. "society") measure as an accomplishment.
Becoming a parent may be a milestone, but it most definitely isn't one of my goals.
Annoying that everything is written in clikcbait style these days. Why does it say "these 5" and then only list 4? was college the fifth, the one that's still happening? (thank god)
If you have to ask what the 5th one is, you cant afford it.
I'm assuming that it's "buying a home." It's sort of redundant with "moving out of your parents' home", though you could accomplish the latter without the former.
CBS sold out to Mango, their “news” is no longer to be trusted.
Getting married and having a child is not a milestone of adulthood. Being in a healthy relationship is though. You don't need to be married and have a child to be in a long term healthy relationship.
Kids and a wedding ring are quantitative things they can measure externally. I bet, back when this list was first pulled out of someone's ass, that was all they thought about whether a relationship was happy or not.
We know better, now.
My dad had those 4 things, too, and then one day his wife left him. If we measure 'success' against this criteria, he's failed. I can see how this mindset makes one reluctant to leave a marriage or not have kids, and I can see the pressure of competing with the "Joneses" can be a stressor.
I'm glad we know better. A divorce is not failure: it's harm reduction. No kids is not a failure: it's a decision about finances and goals.
I get that some people - false consensus or not - think that everyone generally wants kids etc, but grading people on how they measure up to the Cunninghams is simply unfair.
And we could do with a lower birthrate anyway, once we find how to do so without ruining our economy.
"Boomers brag that standards set in 1960 unreachable by anyone today because Boomers ruined everything after they got theirs."
Which generation gets the blame for the utter failure to address climate change and the rise of global fascism? Oh and theres this stuff too: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/may/20/microplastics-human-testicles-study-sperm-counts
Every generation after Adam Smith has had a hand in the destruction of the next. Every generation after Marx and Engels has had both hands in that destruction.
They get the blame because they caused this. If anyone also deserves blame, Millennials do as well. We're just Boomers II: Electric Boogalo, setting up entire ecosystems and telling everyone that everything is great now, not realizing or accepting responsibility for the adverse effects, just moving on the next grift.
Why are millennials getting blamed for what boomers has caused? They suffered a lot after boomers and gen xers pulled the the rug from under them. We did not benefit at all from the fruits of labor from the last 2 gen.
We deserve blame for gladly accepting the Boomer mindset, and applying it to the tech industry once we came of age. Gen X honestly has been caught in the middle in a weirder way than we were, and because of how the timing of media development went, they never had a boom era that really applied to them in the same way. Many of them were raised in the economic downturn of the 70's and the 80's cultural and (dubiously calling this positive) economic boom and bust and 90's boom and bust was either too early or too late for most of them. For Boomers it lined up perfectly with regular generational cycles to get kids that grew up in a similar culturally monolithic era.
Millennials have every bit the same sense of entitlement to cultural similarity, expecting everyone to know about and like the same 80's and 90's cartoons, movies, and video games - just like how the Boomers demand everyone just assume that the 60's were the peak of human civilization - when Boomers were still kids or just graduating high school. This was facilitated by the Boomer themselves. We grew up scarfing their hubris and art and media and asking for seconds. We just did stuff that was stupid without thinking about it, or thinking through long-term repercussions, just like how Boomers put all our food in plastic. We didn't learn that was bad and stop doing it. We just invented different BS scams to sell more crap made of plastic that is health snake oil. We pushed social media acceptance and use and abuse. Boomers and Millennials don't do well with counter-culture until it becomes mainstream enough to be cool. Gen X especially and Y to some degree embrace it because the Boomer/Millennial cycles were out of sync for them age-wise. So the reaction to why do these people like this weird, brightly colored shit is to go the other direction.
The the Boomer hubris is to tell us for 20 years that we're idiots for not owning a home by age 21, but messing up the housing market over and over again. And we just sort of brushed it off, like "oh, well, it's fine, I'll get around to it. Mom and Dad say it'll be OK." We didn't think for ourselves until it was too late. We didn't think. We didn't protect harm to Gen Y. We didn't see the lessons and learn from them because we were too jacked up on pixie sticks and Jolt cola to see what was happening.
There are some positive parallels - for example, we grew up at a time when computers were new and so many of us are comfortable using them and fixing things and getting under the hood metaphorically. Boomers grew up as cars became widely available and affordable as status symbols, which is why many of them spent their lives comfortable with changing the oil themselves or replacing the spark plugs. But it still just confirms the connection between the generations.
Well, if the fucking silent generation would retire from congress already, god damn it
Yeah, well most young adults wouldn't make the mistake of cancelling the Late Show with Colbert Colbert.
Well, guess I'm never gonna be an adult seeing as I had a vasectomy nearly a decade ago now. I did finally buy a house in my early 40s (well, I'm paying for it for the next 19 more years, but still).
Oh fuck off, I have very consciously decided NOT to have a child. In my own lifetime, I will see the agrinomic sector completely fail due to runaway climate change. I will see actual resource wars. Why the fuck would I have a kid
I've consciously decided to let my siblings have all the kids for me. It's going great! Lol
It's called kin selection, basically you help your related's offspring and to pass on similar related genes, assuming you are also helping them
In 1960 the US minimum wage was $1.00/hour and the price of a home averaged $11,000.00
Two kids could graduate high school and move into their own home the next day, and have the place paid off in less than a decade.
To put it In Perspective, in 1968. A person made about 6 grand a year houses were 12k. So twice the income. Now? Mean houses prices are around 400k. Income is around 66k.
There is no comparison. Today's kids are financially MUCH worse off than we genxers
This article is not particularly well written, but the four milestones they mention are: 1) moving out of one's parents' home, 2) getting a job, 3) getting married and 4) having a child. The fifth one seems to be the completion of education.