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[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Any map depicting UTC0 in the centre and not the international date line in the centre is unequal.

-t Pacific nations.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I feel like thats why UTC never took off. They should have set 0 in the pacific ocean somewhere and everyone would have been much happier.

[–] theherk@lemmy.world 37 points 4 days ago (12 children)

This is such a garbage take. There is no way to “show our world as it truly is” in two dimensions. I’m all about showing other projects and orientations. Classrooms should have “upside down” maps and Albert maps for example. But we should also teach that each projection has benefits and drawbacks. I was taught that decades ago. Have we stopped?

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The way the world's going, the next accepted projection will be depicted on the backs of four elephants atop a turtle.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 days ago

Bring on the Wizzards

I do hope we get the luggage....

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[–] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Why does the map on the website need that draggable divider when both versions show both types of projection?

[–] aeiou_ckr@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

I was wondering the same thing.

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[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's a bit hard to find out where it actually originated from and who's behind it. Judjing by their social media handlers, it's a marketing agency Hello Makeda. Maybe it's just me, but I don't trust marketing agencies to be good judges on geographical projects.

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[–] Tbird83ii@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just want to point out... their "equal" and "correct" map is missing New Zealand...

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You mean the homepage infographic? Thats not the map. If you click download you can get accurate full maps based on this projection.

[–] calmluck9349@infosec.pub 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why don't they just put the actual map on their site? The video and slider map make usa canada and mexico look like islands..

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

There's a big "Download" url: https://equal-earth.com/ here's the standard english one https://www.equal-earth.com/Equal-Earth-Map-0.jpg

[–] keegomatic@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

(Maps missing New Zealand is a meme)

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 85 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Since this article gave you everything except the one thing you want to see, here's what the Equal Earth projection looks like

[–] volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 42 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Yes, it is an awful website with an awful promotion video. Sizing the countries down but not connecting them and not showing you the world map as it would look like in total is absolutely not furthering the cause. I'm so mad I'm not sure I even want to sign the petition to be honest. Granted, my school atlas did not have the mercator projection.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 71 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

This will never happen as long as Big Greenland pulls the strings of power in the cartography world.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago

And they're very big. Have you looked at a map lately? Do you expect tiny little Africa to stand up to that?

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 days ago

It’s time the U.S. deals with big Greenland once and for Oil.

[–] oxysis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 118 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I mean the problem with any projection of earth onto a 2d simplified shape surface is that it will be inherently distorted. The Mercator projection is scaled properly towards the equator but has to scale upwards more and more toward the poles to be able to fit the given area.

Even their own map, which for some reason isn’t shown in either the video or on the main page, isn’t accurate either. It’s better but is also warped in its own way, it would be nice if they had a little blurb that says something to that effect.

Here’s the actual map projection they are pushing for; https://equal-earth.com/equal-earth-projection.html

[–] teft@piefed.social 136 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Fuck that. Let's go for the euler spiral.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 57 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It seems like the kind of thing that would give rise to the ~ Earth movement

[–] Gerblat@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago (3 children)
[–] BurntWits@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Tildearth desktop wallpaper

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[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 45 points 5 days ago
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[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago (5 children)

i think the best solution (besides globes which are impractical on screens/posters) is having no standard, expose kids in school to 3 or 4 different projections so they learn there's no standard and all protections are as valid and all with drawbacks and advantages.

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[–] cerement@slrpnk.net 73 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)
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[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Mercator distorts landmass to fit the grid, so it is good for navigation, simply draw a straight line between two points and follow it. Also, the plea on that site is just...weird. Africa is not taken seriously because it is displayed too small on maps - what? It is a large, chunky continent that can be compressed without too much detail loss - Europe, not so much.

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[–] LetMeShowYouAThing@sh.itjust.works 26 points 5 days ago (4 children)

The Mercator projection was great for navigating oceans, baring remain correct. There are thousands of other map projections that do a better job preserving size, shape, directions, and distances. Any projection will be a tradeoff between these.

As far as I know the Mercator projection has mostly fallen out of use in education, and I don’t think there’s any standard that requires it anywhere. So I’m not sure exactly what this is about.

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[–] logi@lemmy.world 45 points 5 days ago

Faithfully projecting a globe onto a flat surface is impossible and all projections have to balance a number of compromises. Mercator retains compass directions and the shapes of land masses but entirely sacrifices relative scale between equatorial regions and polar regions. This makes it great for navigating a 17th century vessel. Other projections strike a different balance, like this one, and sacrifice compass direction and land mass shapes in order to perfectly retain scale. On this map, my little Arctic island looks like someone stepped on it.

IMO a balanced projection will compromise on all the nice properties a projection can have, and if that isn't acceptable, then get a globe.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 24 points 5 days ago (3 children)

CMV: this movement only matters to stupid people, and does not qualify as something "I should know".

[–] jwmgregory@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

maybe a little abrasive in tone but i don’t totally disagree, this is kind of fucking dumb and i don’t understand why i’m seeing this everywhere rn.

mercator hasn’t been ubiquitous in decades and when it is used today there’s usually an actual reasoning, however valid one decides it to be.

what the fuck are these people talking about?

a campaign for this? what, are we going to campaign to cease the use of subway maps next because they give a dishonest sense of size and scale of metros?

this feels like weird distraction bait from things that actually matter.

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[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 41 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (16 children)

By signing the petition you take a stand against a false narrative that downplays Africa’s vast size and diversity as the second-largest continent, reducing its perceived importance in global politics and economics. You can correct the narrative.

I'll be real here, I have no idea what these people are talking about. The way Africa looked on maps has never had any bearing on my or probably anyone's thinking of how important the continent is in global politics or economics. If someone thinks "country/continent looks small so they must be unimportant," they are either a child or a fool. Or both.

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[–] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago

Whatever map that uses Eurasia rather than pretend Europe is it's own continent is fine by me

[–] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

DYMAXION MAP OR GTFO

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It has less distortion of relative size of areas, most notably when compared to the Mercator projection; and less distortion of shapes of areas, notably when compared to the Gall–Peters projection. Other compromise projections attempt a similar trade-off.

More unusually, the Dymaxion map does not have any "right way up". Fuller argued that in the universe there is no "up" and "down", or "north" and "south": only "in" and "out".[9] Gravitational forces of the stars and planets created "in", meaning "towards the gravitational center", and "out", meaning "away from the gravitational center". He attributed the north-up-superior/south-down-inferior presentation of most other world maps to cultural bias.

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[–] aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com 42 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Not a single link there to technical details about the projection.

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[–] samc@feddit.uk 20 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Firstly, I do think that projections which enlarge Europe and north America relative to the global south are a problem and every curriculum should include education about how this happens and what the world really looks like.

But also, kinda funny how this project is very specifically about fairness for Africa. Why not include south America in there too?

[–] volvoxvsmarla@sopuli.xyz 18 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Firstly, I do think that projections which enlarge Europe and north America relative to the global south are a problem and every curriculum should include education about how this happens and what the world really looks like.

Honestly, at least in school you should use a globe to begin with. It is the best projection there is. I'm also pretty sure there are online "globes" that you can turn any way you want. Using a 2D projection is mostly unnecessary in education.

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[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Okay... but doesn't this just introduce the issue of flat maps distorting anything to the east or west of center in a different way?

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[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

It's now trivial, in 2025, to depict the world as a 3D shape, this is coming a few decades after it matters, imo.

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