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[–] Shotgun_Alice@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago
[–] moody 61 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Fucking good. What's the point of a union if the government is just gonna force everyone back to work?

Everyone knows that corporations never negotiate in good faith. You can't just force the workers to accept terms they don't agree with.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

On the other hand, transporting strike-breakers to another star system pays considerably well.Endless Sky

Thankfully I haven't required to unionise to get a little less unfair wage.

[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 75 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 11 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

100% the return to work order has nothing to do with national security or the union not arguing on good faith. The Canadian government wants money. That's it. US airtraffic controls need to take notice. Remember people, if your government gives you a unlawful order you don't have to follow it because, you are the government. Collectively we make up our governments. That's how governments work. Yes there may be some short term pain (layoffs, fines, imprisonment, etc.) but the long term pain is greater if you don't stand up for what's right.

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 64 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

For sure. Biden broke the railroad workers strike and was a "pro-labor" president. If a strike doesn't make business sweat, labor has no cards.

[–] thegr8goldfish@startrek.website 15 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know any of the particulars but what if the union advised it's workers to only do the paid work? I don't see how they can be held to account for not doing unpaid work if they all refuse together.

[–] ryan213@lemmy.ca 16 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The sticking point in their negotiations is just that - they don't get paid for the work they do when the plane is not in the air.

[–] MycelialMass@lemmy.world 16 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I think theyre saying just dont do that work.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

But they literally can't. Have you seen the average person try to put their suitcase in the overhead bin? Completely ignoring the sign that is plastered on the door and the back to put it on its side?

Have you seen the average person try to find their seat, swearing up and down that they purchased extra leg room only to be really seated next to the lavatory?

The plane would never take off.

Flight crew should be paid the moment they cross security. At that point they've badged in and they should be considered to be at work.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 hours ago

The plane would never take off.

If planes can't take off without this essential work, then the people doing it need to be compensated for it.

Otherwise the plane can stay on the fucking ground.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 3 points 7 hours ago

Counterpoint, everyone doing hourly work should be paid starting the moment they begin their commute, plus half an hour of prep time.

[–] MycelialMass@lemmy.world 23 points 20 hours ago

This would effectively stop the flights yes, thats the point. It shows the labor their doing is necessary,and theyre the only ones who can do it. So they should be paid becuase thats what a fucking job is.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

They do pre boarding outside the plane. They can't even load the plane if no one does that.

[–] osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org 10 points 17 hours ago

I do belive that will demonstrate the point

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 12 points 20 hours ago

Exactly, the planes will never take off.

[–] ryan213@lemmy.ca 3 points 22 hours ago