So they are going after him right when Tesla actually deploys self-driving taxis? Great timing.
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That's literally mentioned in the article: "In its current robotaxi pilot, in addition to a safety tech sitting in the front of the vehicle, Tesla is also relying on remote operators to monitor its fleet and provide driving assistance when problems arise–like almost running into an oncoming train."
It's hot garbage.
Doubt
Literally the same writer for Forbes, Alan Ohnsman, in January 2017, doing a lot of heavy lifting for these Musk lies that he now claims are catching up to Musk.
Maybe you shouldn't have helped peddle them then, Alan & Forbes??
This was just a quick online search because I knew that Forbes helped glaze this lying fuck at one point, but it's an extra layer of get fucked to have it literally be the same author.
Buddy, it's been 8 years since then. People are allowed to, and are encouraged to change their opinions as time goes on. So the author bought the hype in 2017; And??? A LOT has changed since then, and it's no shock that his stance has too.
I mean, of course, but we're literally talking about Forbes a financial magazine that has a long history of glazing CEOs when they shouldn't have been. This is part and parcel to what they've been doing for decades now, so it's a little silly to be like "but they can change their minds!"
For example, Elizabeth Holmes was on the cover of Forbes in September 2015, just months before the lid got blown off about her medical devices being hokum.
I'm all for people changing their minds, but these are media organizations who literally peddle the idea that these are "Great Men" (or women) who we should be looking up to. They aren't doing the legwork to make sure their claims aren't farcical, they just repeat them as sacrosanct. Fortunes, Forbes, the Wall Street Journal are all complicit in the entire fraud of CEOs being paid obscene amounts of money and over-inflating their importance, and they've been complicit in it for decades. Cheering on one of their writers because they changed their mind when evidence became far too obvious to ignore kind of misses the point entirely about these media organizations and how they enable these charlatans to steal the value of our labor from us and take it as their own.
So what you are saying that Forbes information should be treated with all the credibility of an LLM output?
That could be argued that they therefore can’t be held liable when they spew utter garbage.
That should have been the assumption forever. It was always like a “market hype” publication to get CEOs and the rich to wet their panties and work to get in the publication. Forbes never really did any good investigative journalism, it was always
“this company is the future!”
And “this company is definitely not the future!”
And “these young people are certainly the future!”
And “here’s the richest people!”
And it’s always been worse since it was acquired by a Hong Kong investment group almost ten years ago
When was the cave “pedo guy” incident? Prior to that I was a bit of a Musk fanboy. He had good PR and didn’t open his stupid mouth as much back then.
I knew that Forbes helped glaze this lying fuck at one point
We all did. Remember, he used to actually be very well-liked by the public at one point, on both sides. Hell, we were giving him Marvel cameos and everything. It wasn't until the year after that article, that the public started to notice what a piece of shit Elon was; opinions on him didn't really start shifting until his involvement in that cave rescue in 2018.
Instead of shitting on the author for a piece he wrote eight years ago, you should recognize that he now knows better.
I’ve always thought him and his fan club were weird. The whole Tesla stan club with the stock and everything…dude just always came across as a grifter. Yeah he actually has products, but he also has a legion of fanboys who more than a few of turn out to be decent engineers and are willing to work for him and be treated like shit.
I’m also an engineer and the turnover rate at his companies is so high and always has been. It’s ridiculous.
Do not give one penny to this Nazi!
Unless it's traveling towards his head at approximately Mach 1.
I wish the current US ~~government~~ ~~regime~~ shit birds agreed
They're just about to (or have) started testing here in Japan. Jesus fucking Christ we're stupid.
It is the moral imperative of all humanity to sabotage every self-driving vehicle test in whichever way possible.
I know I'm going to get downvoted but I use FSD every day. It's not perfect but it keeps getting better, and it's already the best solution out there. If you haven't actually used it then all you have is someone else's opinion.
Stipulated: Elon still lied about the timetable.
Stipulated: Eton helping Trump and doing DOGE made me sick to watch.
FSD isn't even close to the best solution.
It is why it is still illegal in the EU while other manufacturers have gotten approval.
Mercedes-Benz: Approved for Level 3 autonomous driving (Drive Pilot system) in Germany since 2021
Pony.ai: Became the first company to receive ministerial authorisation for autonomous car testing on public roads in Luxembourg in March 2025
Teslas approval: literally 0
Calling it full-self driving is also a lie, and that lie kills people. Whether it’s a good product or not isn’t really the issue.
When I had a Tesla, FSD Supervised was pretty damn impressive for what it did.
I could go basically door to door for my usual errands, which was super nice.
But I'll never buy another Tesla while Elon is at all connected.
Does your car still have sonar and whatnot, or does it only use optical sensors? I think I remember there like being a switch to not using sonar anymore a while back and I got the impression that was a big detriment to Tesla's self driving ability
Tesla actually removed software use of the lidars on the cars that had them, to "unify the stack". So, the Tesla Model 3 2020 I had became worse as they "upgraded" the software stack.
Now driving a VW ID.7. It's "autopilot" (travel assist) is far superior to Tesla's autopilot. However, it does not have or pretend to have FSD.
Tesla's FSD is impressive for what it can do. I would however be extremely wary to use it because it tries to do more than it should - being unable to handle edge cases.
ultrasonic sensors were never used outside of auto parking anyways
Have you seen the comma device? Effectively a lil android device with a camera that plugs into obd port.
I don't think that's toooo different from Tesla or many other automakers. None of them call it 'self driving'. They're driver assistants.
There is a huge difference in the hardware and the software used for Advanced Driver Assistance Systems for different vehicles.
For example. Mercedes-Benz S-Classes Driver Fatigue Monitoring had been detecting the eyeline and posture of drivers, for 10 years before other manufacturers started using timer-based Driver Fatigue Systems.
The Optical object recognition systems in the ADAS of most Volume brands is barely functional at best, while the single-RADAR object recognition of the ADAS in luxury brands is adequate to reduce collisions.
Even the multi-RADAR systems of premium Luxury vehicles should only be considered “Driver Assistance” .