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I personally cringe when I hear a friend js having a kid. All I can think of is how bad theyre going to have it. Hell id definitely have been better off being born 20 years earlier, but these new kids are REALLY screwed unless they have super rich parents.

"Nothing new under the sun" I suppose!

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[–] RBWells@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

When I was a kid, there was a hole in the ozone layer and we were just going to be blown up by a nuclear war, or get AIDS.

It's always been the end times.

So no, I don't worry that much about kids. I do wish that embodiment was not a forced choice, you can't ask a baby if they would like to be born. I'm sure there are planets where the 'people' have a much harder time than we do here. Sure I am incredibly angry that we are squandering this glorious advantage we have so soon. But no I am not sorry for the kids of the future and also the past really sucked for most people, you can't compare a hard life of the near future to some idealized imaginary easy life of the past.

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[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Absolutely yes I feel bad for them.

Some people will say that now is the best time to be alive, but I think we have hit our peak and are facing an ugly drop-off. Climate change is a big one, but I think that technology is quickly becoming detrimental to the average person because it is leading to a consolidation of wealth and power in the hands of fewer and fewer.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 points 19 hours ago

The peak was probably 08-12 recently. I think its tanking fast.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 85 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Climate change is the only true existential reason to feel that way.

Everything else is just over focusing on a short term dip. On average things are getting better over the long term. The British Empire collapsed, and so will the American one, and the world will keep on turning and progressing.

Hell kids born these days may have legitimate cures for most forms of cancer by the time they're old. We won't.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

is there anything substantial being done about climate change right now though?

[–] ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] uienia@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Oh, only climate change. Well that's alright then. /s

Climate change is going to influence everything in our society for the worse: politics, economics, living standards, everything, including the amount of resources available to use for research.

and the world will keep on turning and progressing.

The world will keep on turning, but there is absolutely no factual basis for claiming it will keep on progressing. If anything that is one thing we can learn from history.

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I'd argue that technology also, because it is consolidating wealth and power in the hands of fewer and fewer. This creates a positive feedback loop to further entrench their power. They have widened the divide and pulled up the ladder.

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[–] MTK@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Politics, economics and war are all hard to predict for long term, but just on the count of climate change kids born today are screwed.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No. I think that things have pretty steadily gotten better over time, and that a great deal of people being upset about now for any given now comes from a tendency to focus on negatives. Could be social media or news media tending to bring negatives to the surface because it drives engagement, political activists aiming to drive or leverage upset, or so forth.

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More grist for the mill.

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 56 points 1 day ago (6 children)

VERY specific people would have been better off born 20 years ago.

The vast majority of people would be better off today.

You can imagine in another 20 years that would be different, but almost everyone is better off today than they were 20 years ago, and they will be even better 20 years from now than today.

Specific groups may have a harder time in one time period or another, but society at large is getting better at the world scale over the long term. Hope still exists.

[–] undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch 86 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Maybe when it comes to social issues but when I read OP’s post I think of climate change and how it seems to be worsening at an increasing pace.

[–] dditty@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 1 day ago

That and personal privacy and freedom from despotic and fascist government

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[–] PETE_OPSEC@piefed.social 24 points 1 day ago

I agree with almost all of this, but I think factoring in the imminent catastrophes we know are coming (and actively doing nothing about) will make a sizeable balance of this 'better off vast majority' of today.

The heaps of plastic tell a different story and define 'getting better' in a daunting light for those just now being born

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 17 points 1 day ago

Climate change related disasters will only get worse over the long term, though.

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[–] Drusas@fedia.io 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Very much so. I honestly think it's at least a little cruel and selfish to have a child in a dying world.

That said, I remain supportive of the parents in my life and I try to keep that feeling to myself--unless the parent brings it up (my cousin has two very young children whom he adores, but he also worries for their futures due to climate change and political instability, and he'll talk pretty openly with me about it).

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 20 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Climate change is the number one thing. The past had fascism, tools, slavery - but it didn't have an Extinction level event looming just cresting over the horizon. I'm not having any kids until there is actual meaningful progress towards fixing that... So it looks like I'm not having kids.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

Not to mention that one of the easiest ways to combat climate change is to simply not bring more humans into the world.

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[–] crapwittyname@feddit.uk 8 points 1 day ago

I choose not to. I can choose to be hopeful for the future without being unrealistic. I can see intrinsic value in human life and the human experience even knowing that every single one of us will die at some point, some peacefully, some during suffering. The moment of death doesn't have to define one's life. Even a baby who lives for six hours has spent infinitely more time living than dying. Would you be so nihilistic as to erase that life, just because it was short?

Your philosophy is valid; it's not necessarily correct.
Starting from the assumption that it is denies you the opportunity to see things from a different perspective.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unclear. Maybe things are going to get better; it's happened before right?

It hasn't been all bad news lately, too. If you're not straight, cis, or from the the West, being a boomer wasn't such a great deal.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (6 children)

it’s happened before right?

not what we've done to the ecosystem. we're in entirely uncharted territory.

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[–] wolfrasin@lemmy.today 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

When the mother bear in bondage at the bile farm kills her own cub and I gotta applaud that poor bitch

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 1 day ago (16 children)

Very. I already dont see a bright future. People born today dont know anything but a broken world. Me being born 2003 atleast saw a slight bit of it

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago

no im jealous because i miss screaming and shitting and puking constantly

[–] Redredme@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (17 children)

You are born in the very very very best stretch the human race has ever known.

We have solutions for almost every problem which exists today.

Wars are at an historical low point.

Chances are good you've never been even experienced war first hand.

Housing is expensive, yes. But chances are you're reading this on a couch or bed in a home, heated (or cooled), with a working stove, light at night and a fridge with edibles in it. And lets not talk about your immediate almost unrestricted access to all of human knowledge.

That would be unbelievable, impossible even during 99.9% of human history. (Or somewhere near this figure)

You should stop doomscrolling and start reading the real human history.

All of human knowledge at your fingertips. And this is what you chose to distill from it.

[–] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think you're missing the point.

Dying of disease because there simply isn't a cure is a tragedy, but dying of disease because the cure is too expensive, not because of material and resource limitations but because some shithead just wants to be rich, when in reality we could produce enough for everyone - is a farce beyond comprehension.

We escaped the wolves and I sure am glad for it, but we have senselessly created new wolves just to throw people to them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not making an appeal to nature, or using the noble savage fallacy, nor am I reactionary moron who thinks everyone went to Galas or that in the past I'd be admiring the decorative architecture rather than be the slave making it, I'm a huge simp for science and technology, but I also can see that the world is headed in a very dark direction compared to the 2010s.

As a minority in both legislation and in practice my rights and safety have been actively eroded since the 90s and things were quite literally just better back then for basically everyone.

I struggle to think what exactly would be worse for your average Westerner being born earlier in actual human scales of time, like e.g. the 1990s.

The boomers around me don't even understand that you don't just "get" a job for existing, and my parents can't imagine having a degree and worrying about making rent or skipping on heating or meals in a "first world country" like the UK, and they grew up in the fucking soviet union and not exactly during it's heyday.

Living in wartime is awful. Living while wishing for things to be fixed, or even for any kind of hope, even if it means death in war, isn't that much better.

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[–] icylobster@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I get what you are saying but everyone is ignoring the human condition. We feel things based on how they are around us in a relative sense.

It doesn't matter if it is statistically better. Modern times are getting worse for people. Health, privacy, freedom are all declining in America. That is what people see and feel. I'm tired of people acting like we have life horizons that can see centuries.

Chronic health is a real current issue and it absolutely destroys quality of life too.

So yeah, great, best time to be alive. But since I was a kid many things have gotten worse. From health (cost, accessibility) and education to privacy. Maybe we will be much farther ahead in 20 years, but the next 10 are looking grim.

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Not in the least.

You should look at people born in the past.

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