fucking everything kind of sucks right now.
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What is making you stink discord isn't also selling all its data to AI companies?
Let them scrape. AI as it currently is, is still autocomplete with extra steps, and still prone to hallucination. As it is it will be usable to make cheap, passable content, but not hit those moments of inspiration of human art (yet -- there are real AI groups looking to make AGI)
It is a bubble which will pop and AI will be seen as a tool (a resource-costly tool) that requires its own set of experts independent from the experts that use ACAD or write editorial copy or do investigative work. Id est, it's not the replacement of employees that boards of directors want it to be.
And AGI is centuries from being efficient enough that you can make Rosie the Robot who cleans your house and makes a good upside-down pineapple cake.
Self hosting is the way.
Doesn't really solve the AI scraping or the silo problem and as Codeberg found out recently, solving the AI scraping DDOS is never ending
Anubis?
Codeberg was running Anubis. Apparently several bots have started just solving Anubis and scraping away again.
I have never understood why people moved stuff to the closed Discord server system..
Because UI/UX beats any abstract things like privacy & data ownership.
I have never understood why people moved stuff to the closed Discord server system…
Go for the voicechats, stay for the poorly organized forum megathread experience
To build up a close (the two definitions of "close") community. To speak freely (even if you have to respect the TnCs of Discord + community guidelines.)
You forgot about influencers who will read your knowledge and present as theirs in their videos.
Abolish intellectual property
Is that what we're up against? I thought every time I voice my mind on forums it gets upvoted or downvoted or ignored, but always ultimately ignored 🤷🏼♀️.
resists overwhming urge to ignore
Its been shit since covid. Everyone constantly online, and really ramping up the stupid as fuck culture wars. "Back in my day" I could log into a chat room, have some fun conversations, and then log off without getting pissed off or pissed on. I could look at movie news, and not be swapped by performative hate or praise for whatever fucking movie is or isnt "woke".
Everywhere you go, you see "Be civil" or "Be respectful". But all that really means is, dont question out echo chamber. And if you do, well, turns out not being civil towards you doesnt count.
Left and right doesnt matter. Its all hate and performative praise as far as the eye can see.
The forum I call home tolerates a lot of hate speech.
I think I'm out, but it's less about the AI scraping and more about moderation.
I don't even oppose hate speech at this point as long as its directed towards people who believe in the project 2025 agenda instead of the other way around (which it almost exclusively always is) 🤷 we need a kiwi farms but for targeting delusional conservatives. The enemy got to where they are today partly due to mass internet trolling and letting them trample the internet unopposed leaves weak-minded normies to adopt and fight for their views. "being nice" about it ain't getting anybody anywhere and its time for these pieces of shit to actually experience bullying for themselves.
Too bad no such communities exist on the internet.
And that's why ketchup makes an excellent fuel additive.
Yeah. The vinegar is rich in hydrocarbons, which improve the fuel/air ratio during combustion whilst also keeping the engine smelling nice.
Porque no los dos?
Discord is targeting an IPO by end of year. I doubt the AI bubble bursts by then.
Anyone wanna bet against their valuation being based on AI training data value?
IDGAF about LLM bots scraping public forums, they are public and available to anyone. I do mind them scraping shadow libraries, and training on copywritten material, which they should not do
LLM bots are scraping so much that increases costs of maintaing forums and sometimes even ddosin them for example Codeberg.
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If I'm going to share my information and knowledge publicly on an Internet site, I'd like everyone to have fair and open access to it, not at the whims of a multinational corp to gatekeep for me. So the fact that AI can access it too doesn't discourage me.
You have information from me because I choose to share it, not because a site has demanded I give it up without a clear benefit to me in return.
I think there's a lot of solid arguments against letting AI steal everything, but with the scraping there's an even more immediate problem. They don't rate limit or do it in an intelligent method. It becomes a full blown ddos that has take down entire sites and slowed many more to the point of near uselessness.
They're in a very literal sense crashing large chunks of the Internet and causing havoc which costs very real money to fix, either by upping server resources or installing AI scraping mitigation resources so that every still has access to the free information you mention.
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Oh my dude, that second ship sailed decades ago.
Time was there was really just one place (maybe two) where you could find an answer to a question. (Usenet mostly.)
Now there's easily two dozen at least, from SO/SE, Quora, Yahoo Answers, all the way to Reddit subs....
The balkanization of information. It screwed the knowledge of the public, but it made a few people super rich. Whee
Yeah but those places were still publicly indexed, discord is private
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