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[–] squirrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

That reads a little bit like victim-blaming, because the worship of billionaires only applies to one segment of the working poor. Another big part of the problem is billionaires corrupting the political system to the point where whoever gets elected immediately gets love-bombed by the richest people in the world who promise them a share of the loot. Convincing people that voting "for the other guy" won't solve the systemic problems of our political systems is a tremendously difficult job and the billionaires and their bought lackeys know this.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

Another big part of the problem is billionaires corrupting the political system to the point where whoever gets elected immediately gets love-bombed by the richest people in the world who promise them a share of the loot

And if you reject them the billionaires will order all of their lackeys to sabotage you in a million little ways, some of which will be blatant and some of which you'll only ever be able to guess about, so you'll be constantly under attack and unsure of who you can trust and end up spending all of your time on both of those things instead of more directly serving the public

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 weeks ago

I mean, it’s kind of easy to victim blame when the victims are utter shitbags

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."

-Commissioner Pravin Lal, 'U.N. Declaration of Rights'

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

That's wild, I never knew the origin of that last sentence.

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, Commissioner Pravin Lal is a fictional character, one of the faction leaders in Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, truly a gem of a game that most passed over. Most figured it was Civilization in space. But while in theory a successor to Civilization, it was actually a whole sci fi epic with its own original story, future history, and deep explorations of future technology, ecology, and philosophy. The quotes from the tech discoveries and secret projects really illustrate some of the essence of the game.

But I do take great pleasure in quoting Pravin Lal as if he is actually some great historical diplomat.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

Ah, that explains it. It didn't sound like a quote that would come from the real UN. Maybe in some other, superior timeline...

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think this take misunderstands the political reality: in the U.S. we have what could charitably be called a flawed democracy. Just because laws are passed or policies enacted doesn't mean there is majority support.

The house of representatives is elected under rules which are determined state by state. Many states have gerrymandered districts, which is just legal cheating.

Each state receives two senators, regardless of population. Places like North and South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, each get two senators even though they have smaller populations that individual cities in other states.

The president is selected by the electoral college, not the popular vote.

Supreme Court justices are appointed for life - random chance of when they die determines how many justices one party or the other gets to appoint (before we get to Republicans cheating Democrats out of an appointment).

All of which sounds and is grim, but I take a little encouragement from the fact that the majority of Americans do support many reasonable policies and improvements.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Also, more than a third of people sit home on national election day. Which is the highest rate of attendance of any election. State and local elections get an even smaller portion of the electorate.

It's not that they choose this, it's that they choose not to oppose it.

[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Even that I think can partially be explained by people feeling in their gut that their vote won't change anything about their situation. Might be wrong, but you look at something like Obama winning which did have some positive effects, but not the hope and change people were expecting.

[–] timeghost@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, laws were broken.

[–] ninjabard@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

"If they didn't want it, they shouldn't have dressed that way." Yeah, no.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Difficult to not vote against your own interests when there are only two viable parties and both are owned by the rich.

[–] 20cello@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Same goes for almost every other western country

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No, Americans are a special breed of stupid

[–] utopiah@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

I don't think so. I think there is 0 exceptionalism, neither positive nor negative. Americans are being targeted and exploited not because they are "stupid" or possibly naive, but rather because they have resources others do want, being either power or resources.

[–] NoodlePoint@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

One empire to collapse, but for another few to rise to fill the void it leaves.

And those few are not so much more merciful. I'm trying to imagine what the world would look like if it's only Russia and China on top, while the US implodes like the Balkans.