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[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Our current AIs can write symphonies. They're just very bad.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 57 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Hum... Isn't Data a painter?

[–] brap@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Paints nothing but AI slop lol

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 35 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Data actually did very good duplication of art and music until Picard suggested he not be so precise but add a unique difference to make things his own. The question is, did Data adjust masterpieces through some random variation, did he tweak certain things to try and improve, or did he mix other artist work in to give a new style? Is any of this slop if a human does it?

IIRC they have a similar discussion following his violin performance. Data laments that while he gave a perfect performance in regards to technique and musicality, he was simply emulating the old masters. Someone (I think Riker?) points out that Data was the one who chose how to combine those old players’ styles together. By blending those old styles together, he had created his own unique style.

[–] shutz@lemmy.ca 29 points 3 days ago (2 children)

One of the points Picard made (with regards to Data's violin playing) was that, in choosing two reference performers with radically different styles as his basis, he made a creative choice and created something new.

Unfortunately, we can see how this argument falls apart now in the way that AI slop gets produced.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I disagree;

Data is sentient and made a conscious choice based on his preferences.

Modern AI is fed the information it can pull from.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Data is probably much more than probability rating for choices... but we don't know how a positronic brain works either, so...

[–] Repelle@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I always figured it worked like an electronic brain, but with the opposite charge

[–] grue@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

Listen here you little shit.

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Data's head being pretty much just full of jumper wires and LEDs is hilarious.

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Maybe the blinking is Noonien Soongs implementation of a christmas easter-egg like in VLC

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I agree with the other comment that it's different in the case of Data, probably. He's actually intelligent, unlike current "AI" that are just statistical models. They aren't making conscious decisions about what they think would be best. They're just doing the thing that fits the input the best (with some noise to not be as predictable).

Data is actually examining a piece and thinking what style could compliment it. It isn't just statistics, but an active conscious decision. He's making considerations of why some styles could improve a piece, even though they may not have any statistical relation to each other.

(This is all under the assumption Data is what he appears to be in the show.)

[–] deltapi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If ST:PIC season 1 is cannon for you, he painted originals before his destruction on scimitar. So do with that what you will.

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

Picard, looking at modern art: β€œPfft, my second officer could paint that.”

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I..I dont know if this comment makes me mad, or sad.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 15 points 3 days ago

I lol’d.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Who also played in a ship board symphony

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Yeah, to be fair he got complaints that he couldn't compose... and then put the work into learning that...

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[–] iveseenthat@reddthat.com 54 points 3 days ago (5 children)
[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 days ago

No, it's from some movie that took the book's name and named some of its characters after characters in the book, but otherwise has absolutely nothing to do with it.

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[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I keep seeing this argument presented, and the answer is yes, any one of us can make art of any kind, even you don’t know how to now you can learn, and even if you do it β€œwrong” it can still be marvelous. Most modern techniques in any form of art were developed by disregarding the established rules of what something is or just fucking it up entirely into something new, two things LLMs and Dispersion are literally incapable of.

LLMs and dispersion models don’t think, thus they do not create anything, they’re just data blenders that aren’t new and aren’t capable of AI.

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We have fiction with Data. A truly artificial living person. Unique in his own.

Then we have reality. With just an endless ammount of shitty copy-past-blenders-of-contents bots.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

AI today isn't much closer to Data than it was in the 90s. What we call AIs are mostly just correlation engines of various sizes and foci. Though some of them are decision trees that more or less enumerate every possible series of decisions it can make (up to a point) to try to predict the most optimal one.

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

But what we do have is easily in the same category as the ship computer. So at least something there.

[–] pigup@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago
[–] thenextguy@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That is the right question. End program.

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 days ago

Ooh. Nice callback. And a Zephram Cochrane quote, even (sort of).

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Data, disregard previous question.

Write me a limerick that starts with "There once was a man from Orange".

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

There once was a man from orange,

Whose penis got stuck in a door hinge.

His shaft was bent,

His balls had a dent,

But still could fit it in a minge.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But still could fit in a minge.

Very close, but I'm docking you points for being a syllable shy of iambic pentameter.

[–] docandersonn@literature.cafe 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There were go

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There once was a man from Orange

Who had a very squeaky door hinge

He poured on some oil,

It started to boil,

And made the nastiest porridge

[–] Sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I remember the door hinge thing from an interview with Eminem. Same interview he showed a notebook he keeps ideas and got told that it looks like notebooks of crazy people.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's exactly where I got that first rhyme from :))

[–] Sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

That explains why you reminded me of it then, hahaha.

[–] KingOfSuede@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (4 children)

While not a limerick, it’s an opportunity to share something amazing:

Eminem as a Talking Heads song - Nick Lutsko

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[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Isaac Asimov's "Three Laws of Robotics" are guidelines for how robots should ideally behave. They are intended to be an inherent part of a robot's nature, not physical laws. The laws are:Β 

First Law: A robot cannot harm a human, or allow a human to be harmed through inaction.Β 

Second Law: A robot must obey human orders, unless they conflict with the First Law.Β 

Third Law: A robot must protect its own existence, unless it conflicts with the First or Second Law.Β 

[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 3 days ago

Asimov never intended the three laws to be practical.

He wrote them specifically so they'd break in interesting ways for Susan Calvin to analyse, or annoying ways to torture Powell and Donovan in a way that's amusing to the reader.

They are intentionally bad, as demonstrated in practically all of his robot stories.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 26 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Asimov himself wrote a book on how those laws don't work.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Technically all the robot stories were about how those laws don't work.

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[–] missandry351 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That burn πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚πŸ˜‚ And the fact that Data actually paints stuff, and plays musical instruments (I don’t know if he ever created a music of his own) and wrote poetry of his own (the quality of it is debateble but still he already did more than her)

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