Kudos. Rarely does an image capture the whole story as well as this one does. Indeed. Of course it makes those of us who remember the good old days feel some grief.
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I can't remember her name but there was a woman who was a mod on a bunch of the pet sub and she got caught marketing on how she could bring redditers to business and she go doxxed and drug on the internet for like a month. Today's admins have no problem doing that.
"Yeah but how is lemme any different?"
Because you can't really ban someone from a lemmy instance. The userbase is the type of people to get around rules like that if they want.
you can, but let's ignore that for a moment.
so you got banned from a community on lemmy, eh?
just go join another community with 8k less users and has a new post once every four weeks.
I suppose you could post more on that community, right?
oops, looks like the mod there is the same one that banned you with an alt on a different instance. you're banned here as well.
lemmy is isn't immune to the corruption on Reddit because it's a different platform. it's corruptible because the users are all from Reddit.
humans are trash, that's why we need to shift how moderation functions online.
You absolutely can ban a user from an lemmy instance.
I actually got banned from this community on my old lemm.ee account under the same username. So I don't make actual posts here. Idk if I'm even technically supposed to be commenting, so 🤫
Even so, Lemmy is nothing like what Reddit has become. Any platform is susceptible, but Reddit is now controlled by people who are out to prove a Fred Phelps like point about free speech. If you can't say whatever you want, whenever you want, to anyone you want, go out of your way to ruin it for everybody and die miserable and alone.
Even if that does end up happening here, somebody else will just build back something new and a little better to replace it.
Fascists complained for decades about being censored on the internet and in that time what did they actually do? Did they actually build their own alternatives that anybody wanted to use, or did they just scheme and claw their way to the top to take over what somebody else made and force what they wanted on to everyone?
It's true, they've basically made just about every popular internet platform unuseable in like 9 months, but that has also driven more people to just seek alternatives, and other people to focus on building them or making what already exists more user friendly. So when people just stop using that garbage, what happens to all those paid sponsors? Do they just keep paying to advertise to no one?
The dead internet theory just kind of assumes that people will want to keep using these platforms to witness bots argue instead of interacting with other people, but I can't even really scroll through Reddit or Substack anymore bc I know there's better content somewhere else that isn't being controlled to keep a narrative going.
I tried to look for a very specific topic on YouTube yesterday, and got so frustrated with only having an endless stream of short clips of influencers instead of the one thing that I actually wanted, that I ended up just making an account on peertube. There's not much content on there (yet), but the small amount that is there is sooo much more interesting than 99% of the garbage being force fed by YouTube.
I'm pretty sure that's actually how capitalism is supposed to work when a "free market" isn't being completely controlled by oligarchs. Like if this product sucks, and this other product is available and better, why would I keep using the shitty product unless somebody is tightly controlling the market and not allowing any competition?
I was talking to somebody yesterday about how being forced to switch to open source platforms has actually made me somewhat more optimistic for the future in general. Once somebody destroys something you love, it's just gone. It sucks, but there's a good chance you'll probably never get back what was destroyed. You can't go home again, but you can always try to rebuild something new, and make it a little better than before.
Did they actually build their own alternatives that anybody wanted to use,
Right wingers functionally excluded from major platforms more or less until Musk bought Twitter actually did create their own spaces. Several of which got made functionally inaccessible from mobile devices, or removed from search engines or otherwise actively prevented from growing organically, many of them eventually being quietly put back after any buzz around them had died down. Think Gab, Parler, various .win sites that are reddit-like, etc.
Hell, at one point the largest Mastodon instance was literally one such space that had had it's own app banned from the app stores for being an uncensored far right space, and then several of the major general Mastodon clients made their clients refuse to connect to that specific instance at the client level as well. If you've ever seen a Mastodon client on say the Play store with negative reviews saying that it couldn't connect to the largest instance, that's because at the time the largest Mastodon instance was technically Gab.
But why did nobody just make an exclusively right wing alternative to mastodon? Idk anything about Parler, but it just seems like it's easy to just try to make a space on an existing platform, but if you join something that was built by somebody else, you're being provided a space within what they built.
If you feel like you don't want to be restricted by the requirements of being part of a platform or institution, why has nobody really built a right wing alternative from the ground up?
Most of Project 2025 is based on Paul Weyrich deciding that the U.S. is beyond redemption in his opinion, and he says that the path forward for the right should be the homeschool model and create new institutions.
But that's not what actually happening. They're not building new institutions and offering them as an alternative open to anyone that wants to join. They're just taking over institutions, and turning them into what they want. It's like they're doing this only to prove a point that what they want should be the way that everyone lives their lives, and since society didn't want that, they're going to force it on society.
If the entire basis of your movement is that society should be focused on and built around a very narrow section of all of society, why would it be surprising that the majority of society wouldn't want to willingly be part of your movement since they don't fit into it?
This is like if some people that were obsessed with frisbee golf took over every football stadium to try and force every football fan to become a fan of Frolf.
Realistically what would happen? Everybody suddenly accepts that frolf is the new football because a small group of people wanted it? Even if they can somehow hold on to power indefinitely, and keep all those football stadiums frolf only, would people really just stop playing football or would they just go literally anywhere else and play there instead? Even if it meant you might just have to start out playing in an empty field or parking lot somewhere with a few people, and slowly grow from there. People will just make new football stadiums or soccer stadiums or tennis courts bc not everybody wants to be forced to just play frolf.
Til they come back with hundreds of alts because being banned was such an offense to them.
Yeah, Lemmy is different, reddit is hell. Lemmy is a little irritating, but Reddit is full of cops and fascists
Want to know what's fucked? People on Reddit are openly advocating for Concentration Camps and the Mods have ID gated subs like alcoholics anonymous but if I bring up things like the leader of a sitting political party not only saying we should fund the Taliban with tax payers money but presenting it as a flagship policy for this party, I get my comment removed and my account shadow banned.
That's where we are on Reddit right now.
Their Contributor Quality Score is basically the social media equivalent of a Social Credit Score. Not like karma, it's a whole other system that demands you produce content for them or get shadow banned. It's bonkers.
Jesus that's Dystopian.
I mean it wouldn't be the FIRST time an inexplicably beloved and dementia ridden Republican has funded the Taliban.
I was referring to the UK. IIRC Farage is very much a monarchist.
Subs are ID gated because of laws like the Online Safety Act in the UK. Yes I had to contact my MP about that. The government apparently care more about concerned moms than they do about the opinion of actual technical people or freedom of speech.
The government apparently care more about concerned moms than they about the opinion of actual technical people or freedom of speech.
You are the first person I have actually encountered in any discussion of the OSA who mention "concerned parents" because I don't think they're getting enough blame for what the OSA has done. Like they're constantly either running articles like "The OSA would've saved my child's life" or "The OSA doesn't go far enough" and they have been the the crux of the whole shitshow from day one.
Like we know Data Collectors, Social Authoritarians, and Government Spies have been the people doing most of the leg work but I don't think it would have passed if not for the years of "think of the children". Even the parents of Brianna Ghey, the murdered transgender teen, is saying that "if we had the OSA, my child would be alive", ignoring the fact the mainstream press and the government itself played a bigger role in her death than the internet ever did. The current fucking prime minister MOCKED TRANSGENDER PEOPLE in front of Brianna's father along with the then Prime Minister Rishi Sunak.
Yeah it's a shitshow. Honestly makes me glad I don't have kids. I don't want to think about the ridiculous opinions I might collect just by being a parent. It's like how parents who used to sniff lines and shag 9s suddenly want their teenagers to be celibate and not even touch cannabis. It's honestly so bizarre. Like if having kids makes you this crazy you probably shouldn't have them.
Should? We've been funding al queada....
I'm not sure how that's different at all to Lemmy. This place regularly hands out bans and removes shit all the time.
The difference is here it is actually a human and you can reason with them. Reddit banned me because I reported CSAM being sold on the site too often and made too much if a stink about this.
And you can Look Up everything in the Mod log and complain about the ban on other instances. Or even host your own instance.
Why is Reddit used for anything but porn these days?
It's where people are. If you want to have any commercial success on the internet you almost need a presence on places like Reddit and Twitter
A short video on the subject:
Talks about ex Mods that have since either been defeated, or have just changed their names. "Cyxie", "Gallowboob", "Merari01", "Siouxsie_siousv2" and "Awkwardtheturtle".
Reddit post talking about Cyxie's account being deleted:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/gk569a/cyxie_account_gone/
Fuck reddit.
Gallowboob being a mod in retrospect makes a lot of sense. Fucker was probably taking content, reposting it and deleting the original constantly.
Is it all that much different to Lemmy instances?
At least on Lemmy I can go create my own instance and not have corpo mods forced into it and me forcefully removed. I'd much rather have that with 4 other members than a massive community I risk being ousted from for dumb bullshit any day
100% different since one company owns all of reddit. No one owns all of lemmy.